The Black Ice is a mid sized and mid priced series that includes balanced inputs and and bridges the gap between Sedona and power Class.
The Phantom is fullrange Class D. So many of you guys wanted, let me rephrase, DEMANDED these. Tiny amps are growing in popularity now that they can actually sound really good. A lot of us have kids, sales stuff, or any kind of junk in the back. We need our space. We are a little late in the game getting to these but our first shipment will fly out the door. I happen to love the mini amps. I have never built an SQ comp car with them so I have nothing to brag about, but I think they will be a hit and MAKE MONEY...
Well, I think the JayEl XD series has really found a following with more...shall we say...'mature' car audio enthusiasts for the very reasons you mention; space savings, kids, etc. The Phantoms seem to offer similiar power levels as the XD's and hopefully will have a lower price point.
I was also wondering what added features/advantages a consumer might see by moving up from the Black Ice to the PC line? Honestly, I think the B/I amps blow the PC series away in appearance. I could easily see the PC being completely replaced by them in the not so distant future.
Also Grizz, and LP.........
I had started a thread a while back seeing if anyone thought it would be a good idea to have a section on the forum where company reps could just post a hello, maybe job title, experience, etc... nothing really more is needed. I was thinking it would be nice for people here to know what companys are represented so there can be contacts to answer questions about future as well as current and older products..... its amazing who is on here but there is no where to look and see all that is represented.... (alpine, jl, JBL, SS/PPI, LP, HAT, Haudio, etc..........) Would this be something you guys would be interested in or would it open the flood gates to much for you guys???
Sorry to thread jack, but since a few companys are represented right here I thought I would ask. I think it would be nice to have a place to go to for REAL answers on things.
Here is the link to it.....http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...pany-reps.html
Again sorry to de-rail the thread!
Regarding the cars - Very cool! I would have loved to hear them, but cause I hate an over-processed system. Will any be at SBN? Would I be allowed to hear them? You can handcuff me I Jimmy if Jimmy is there. Lol I would love to hear an elite vehicle with no processing. That's awesome!
Ahhh yes, Jerry Hubbard. He was my mentor for a few years. Lat I heard he was over at Fender. I studeid all of his white papers regarding Trisobarik loading (freaking mindblowing) and some of his best work at Altec Lansing. He taught me that no matter how much i sponge up, I will always know nothing... Great man!
In all honesty I did not know that Blues was even back. I saw some LP guys at the Tulsa finals which was cool. I have not seen a single SQ car for you guys, but I would love to. So tell me this, HONESTLY... If LP like most of us manufacturers that is friendly with everybody else and just wants to grow the industry back to a healthy state again? Or is it full of attitudes? You seem like decent guy. Jimmy is allowed his opinion, but what about the company is general? Friendly to the other manufacturers? Will you be at SBN? I'll buy ya a beer if you make it...
Yeah, the triso-bariks, so many want to talk crap about them, but they were some kick butt boxes, Jerry and I worked on those together, I designed the truck trisobarik box, as well as, the hatch back box. No one believed we could put it in a truck box behind the seat. I have one sitting here, now. Yes, Jerry is at Fender in Phoenix, I talk to him every few months.
We are trying to make the Triso's again, but I am not finished with testing yet. The parameters on the new speakers are different from the old and that is critical. THe whole design principle is that the (2) 8 inch 4 ohm drivers in series have to closely mimic the parameters of the single 10 inch 8 ohm to combine and work. Don't know how many people tried to build that enclosure with other drivers and have it fail.
As far as, being nice, and friendly, I am the way I have always been, upfront, honest and friendly, and expect all of my people to be that way. I do not like anyone representing our products to have a bad attitude, even if provoked. That has never been the way of Linear power or Blues, and I have been associated with both companies for a very long time (Linear power 29 + years now and I was with Blues from the original start in 1989). I actually do not know the identity of Jimmy2345, someone on another thread asked if it was Jimmy Walker, which is part of our group, and it is not. So I can't speak for Jimmy2345's opinions or actions, I see he likes the products and supposrts them which is great, but I don't approve of anyone inside or outside of our group causing bad karama, because so many others try to do the same to us.
Anyone is welcome to listen to any of our vehicles, we have nothing to hide and want to show and let people listen to the vehicles. We have been shipping the speakers since early last summer
As far as the industry, we are designing and building all of our product in America (except the tweeter which is re-engineered to our specs in Germany, not an off the shelf tweeter, different ferro-fluid, and mass) We are marketing to the high end retailers and the sound quality minded older market, not the mass market, but we will not ignore anyone interested in the products.
We are making plans for the season and considering being at SBN but do not know if we will be there are not. CES was expensive and we are recovering from that.
P.S. I don't drink horse piss, but a mixed drink is good, a sugar free soft drink is fine too!
Overall I would say I like the HRU over any of my previous Mcintosh units (I was a Mcintosh guy since the mid/late 90s) and had my amps well over 10yrs with out any issues (2 mc431's 1 mc404, and a bunch of smaller ones) I like the power Mcintosh just could not hold a flame to the HRU in that arena, add in the balanced lines, and the very useful xover features (although the mc404 had some great xover capability as well) and it its a no brainer for me. To be honest, if I were to do it over again I would take the Ref 4.920 over the HRU and several others. You put the 4.920, an older (any model) soundstream amp, or a Mcintosh and about a thousand other amps.... on a table and tell me I can have one amp, I am most likely taking the ref 4.920. The amount of clean and robust power that you get out of that amp is just amazing. It had unlimimited xover options (more so then the hru) and again you can use a BLT, and it just wouldnt strain. My only complaint (and one of only two reasons why I am not buying two more of them) is the length. I can fit two of them in my truck and run a whole system (and then some) but I am trying to lower my overall audio budget in my truck. I am intrigued by the Phantom 600.2 I can fit several of those! Any idea for price points and release dates? What you guys did with SS refs has made me a firm believer in what you guys can do and are trying to do. I want to give some of the new stuff a try
Ok, somebody pleas teach this dumbass howe to multi-quote of whatever it's called!
INGENIX is the name of the new operating system that is in our new radios. They cost about twice as much but they are worth it. power Acoustik and Farenheit use 7800mHz processors while SS and PPI use 800mHz. I will save my fingers if you download the new catalog from the site. But the features are badass. From the 8-way adjustable source level adjustment to the Apple Mac Style drag-n-drop icons to set up your desktop, to the sick built in Navteq navigation, to the artless, stealthy faceplates. A huge leap for us.
If we ever made a TV commercial, you're my actor! Yeah the 4920 is a beast. It is for the guy where nothing matters except performance. It possibly could have been a bit shorter, but we needed that must real estate for the preamp section... I'm glad you can appreciate it! I have the first test reports for all 4 models so they should be going to production very soon if they are not already...
Ok, Grizz.....
I just downloaded the 2011 catalog... I now understand the whole ingenix thing! So the units have a COPPER CHASSIS and detachable face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am really starting to like this! I love the Kenwood units and am a little hessitant to try something completely new but so far you have some features that I have been really waiting for. Alpine also has a unit coming out that seems pretty nice too (and I have hated all things alpine for the last several years!). If there is any chance at getting some first hand photo's of the dd units and the amps?
Also I re-read your response about the 3way set from ss.....I agree about the mounting/custom fab! I had already set up my apillars to take a certain tweeter and the ppi's were a hair to small for it. Some extra "stuff" would have been handy so I didnt have to dive any deeper into the setup. Sounds like the ss would fit great! The ppi tweets were nice and not at all bright to me. I had them pretty off axis and they had excellent response. I like your description of the ss tweets and set overall. I cant say enough great things about that little midrange. If you guys sold them individually you all could probably retire That was a serious homerun! I would buy a few sets of them if I could! My only real complaint with the set is that it was just not loud enough for my tastes (midbass only) but the sq was no joke. Very detailed set! In a quiet vehicle, and off modest power its golden! I drive a big ass truck with large tires and its loud!
Sorry guys. Didnt mean to sound like a azz! And Grizz Ill take you up on that beer(or margarita) in Daytona! Would also love to let you listen to our vehicles!
Yeah man, its on. It would be my pleasure... See ya there!
Far from the case. So full of ASSumptions Mr. Director of Epsilon Marketing. I wonder what your intentions are no matter how shitty the product.
The technology talk came from your numerous comments that insinuated new technology is just better....simple as that. Technology doesn't make up for poor amp design and inferior parts. If you don't understand that then you may want to stay at that MARKETING desk of yours.
Let's see how many of your chinese machine made amps are still in use 5-10 years from now. It's not only the process the chinese use for assembly, it's the design, and parts choice. Your products aren't meant to last long. Hence the reason for a new amp line every year. You can't just make something that is outstanding and then sell that for years?
Consumers aren't very smart and companys such as yours take advantage of that. How can there be a new and better than ever amp and speaker every year? You mean that last years amp is now no good? How can an amp from 15 years ago still sound better....dramatically better? It's because you guys cut so many corners it's ridiculous and it's all MARKETING.
As I said before, you have a market niche; to sell as much as possible no matter the quality of sound. Don't compare yourself to people who actually care about sound. This isn't about amps / speakers...it's about the music.
Hey buddy, great to hear from you so soon. "ASSumptions" Wow! Clever and smarter than a 5th grader! Intentions? You wonder about them? Do you ever make sense? It's simple actually. I want to work for a strong manufacturer of car audio products. That's it. Pretty simple. Ya know, I;ll bet alot of people in the industry have the same intentions. Especially since I don't see what other intentions would have anything to do 12V.
Oh I see, so now what you never heard is being passed off as an insinuation? Seriously, you gotta do better than that. And why are to not yelling at LP for using new technology. WAIT! Let me guess! Their new technology is cooler than ours because our is not for SQ and is just shitty in general?! Is that right? You're a piece of work! I have now talked to the president and another LP/Blues guy. Both cool guys what in the hell happened to you? I will hopefully meet them at SBN. But I feel sorry for them for having you as one of their advocates. I would much rather learn from them, since nothing you said has ever made sense. You talk about products that do not exist. You know zero about our current products. Again and again and again, your opinion can be respected and you are entitled to it, but your relentless spewage of spineless nonsense and immature attitude degraded your opinion to nothing. Nobody cares what you think. Not because you may be right or wrong, but because you just love to hear yourself talk crap about things you know nothing about. Argh! Why am I wasting more time on you?
Far from the case. So full of ASSumptions Mr. Director of Epsilon Marketing. I wonder what your intentions are no matter how shitty the product.
The technology talk came from your numerous comments that insinuated new technology is just better....simple as that. Technology doesn't make up for poor amp design and inferior parts. If you don't understand that then you may want to stay at that MARKETING desk of yours.
Let's see how many of your chinese machine made amps are still in use 5-10 years from now. It's not only the process the chinese use for assembly, it's the design, and parts choice. Your products aren't meant to last long. Hence the reason for a new amp line every year. You can't just make something that is outstanding and then sell that for years?
Consumers aren't very smart and companys such as yours take advantage of that. How can there be a new and better than ever amp and speaker every year? You mean that last years amp is now no good? How can an amp from 15 years ago still sound better....dramatically better? It's because you guys cut so many corners it's ridiculous and it's all MARKETING.
As I said before, you have a market niche; to sell as much as possible no matter the quality of sound. Don't compare yourself to people who actually care about sound. This isn't about amps / speakers...it's about the music.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but since you are slinging mud like there is no tomorrow...do you mind telling me what specs make the brands you like better products?
I know that specs aren't everything and in the end, your ears are more important. But so far, you have no facts, just opinions. No comparative data, just loudmouthing. And if you think saying things like "I've tried products you only dream of" or "I have more experience in my toe than you do in your body" holds any weight here...you must be out of your mind. So as the old saying goes, "either put up, or GTFO of this thread".
BTW, Grizz, I don't have a preference for your products either way, but thanks for taking the time to come on this board and talk to the members. It is always appreciated when people who have a hand in the development of products come here and interact at a one-on-one level.
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Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't.
Far from the case. So full of ASSumptions Mr. Director of Epsilon Marketing. I wonder what your intentions are no matter how shitty the product.
The technology talk came from your numerous comments that insinuated new technology is just better....simple as that. Technology doesn't make up for poor amp design and inferior parts. If you don't understand that then you may want to stay at that MARKETING desk of yours.
Let's see how many of your chinese machine made amps are still in use 5-10 years from now. It's not only the process the chinese use for assembly, it's the design, and parts choice. Your products aren't meant to last long. Hence the reason for a new amp line every year. You can't just make something that is outstanding and then sell that for years?
Consumers aren't very smart and companys such as yours take advantage of that. How can there be a new and better than ever amp and speaker every year? You mean that last years amp is now no good? How can an amp from 15 years ago still sound better....dramatically better? It's because you guys cut so many corners it's ridiculous and it's all MARKETING.
As I said before, you have a market niche; to sell as much as possible no matter the quality of sound. Don't compare yourself to people who actually care about sound. This isn't about amps / speakers...it's about the music.
Ooops, not done with you yet. BTW I am not in marketing anymore. I have to much to do with speaker engineering as we jump into home audio and DJ/Pro.
OK, first of all, our amplifier Engineer is American but originally European. He is not Chinese. Nice try slick. Our spec'ed parts are all high quality parts and are test for tolerance as they are inserted. Got a problem with that slick? There are a bunch of guys still running OS Soundstream and PPI products. Really, that is all you got? You need so substance badly. We add or delete new products as the market demands. I suppose that is bad too. How many companies do you know that only make old school products and nothing new. Oh shit! LP has a new revision of an amplifier. I'm sure it is killer, but are you going to insult them because they did something new, or maybe because they are doing something that US and every other company in the world does - improve?
Consumers aren't smart?! Ya know, you a real asshole! This forum is made up of consumers and enthusiast which are also consumers. I am a consumer as well. So who in the hell are you to insult this entire forum and put yourself on a pedestal? You're a tool man!
Oh, your next one is great! "How can there be a new and better than ever amp and speaker every year? You mean that last years amp is now no good?"
Well Mr. Tool, let me tell you. Brace yourself. It is called TECHNOLOGY! it has never stopped moving since is started. Every company has a quest to move forward, get smarter and use the newest technologies. The fact that you cannot grasp this is f'ing mind blowing! Do you have Model A that you drive or are horses still perfect? Geez! What a Gumby! And I mean that with love, really...
I do not even know where to go with your last bit of words, Did you have a point or just wanted to say words with some sort of monumental closing statement? "it's about the music". Was that supposed to be profound?
The fact is that you do not know what all of this is about, I am not sure you even know what our topic is. But hey, as long as you enjoy coming in here and trying to ruin our PPI thread, I am glad you are having such a great time belittling yourself. Did you get the message from the president of LP? You know, the one about the pissing match and being immature. he has got to be laughing now because he got involved and did not even realize that it was a PPI thread. Cool guy, but he decided to leave and cordially asked people to start a new thread about LP if they desired. Classy move on his part. I would have done the same, but ummm, this is kind of where I belong since I work here? Do you grasp that concept? Do you know what a concept is? I know you cannot take a hint or a slap of reality so just exactly does somebody get through to you?
Also Grizz, and LP.........
I had started a thread a while back seeing if anyone thought it would be a good idea to have a section on the forum where company reps could just post a hello, maybe job title, experience, etc... nothing really more is needed. I was thinking it would be nice for people here to know what companys are represented so there can be contacts to answer questions about future as well as current and older products..... its amazing who is on here but there is no where to look and see all that is represented.... (alpine, jl, JBL, SS/PPI, LP, HAT, Haudio, etc..........) Would this be something you guys would be interested in or would it open the flood gates to much for you guys???
Sorry to thread jack, but since a few companys are represented right here I thought I would ask. I think it would be nice to have a place to go to for REAL answers on things.
Here is the link to it.....http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...pany-reps.html
Again sorry to de-rail the thread!
I am willing. I have many friends in the industry at different manufacturers. Always cool to meet more people. But I know that some of the manufacturer guys like to stay quiet and just read... I am always up for anything, unless it is a manufacturers basking party, but nobody does that anymore. The bashing is all done by the enthusiasts that know everything. For the most part, all the manufacturers get along. I et along with everybody. Hell I go to the MTX and Kicker parties. I get invited all the time. We're all buddies, as it should be...
Yeah, the triso-bariks, so many want to talk crap about them, but they were some kick butt boxes, Jerry and I worked on those together, I designed the truck trisobarik box, as well as, the hatch back box. No one believed we could put it in a truck box behind the seat. I have one sitting here, now. Yes, Jerry is at Fender in Phoenix, I talk to him every few months.
We are trying to make the Triso's again, but I am not finished with testing yet. The parameters on the new speakers are different from the old and that is critical. THe whole design principle is that the (2) 8 inch 4 ohm drivers in series have to closely mimic the parameters of the single 10 inch 8 ohm to combine and work. Don't know how many people tried to build that enclosure with other drivers and have it fail.
As far as, being nice, and friendly, I am the way I have always been, upfront, honest and friendly, and expect all of my people to be that way. I do not like anyone representing our products to have a bad attitude, even if provoked. That has never been the way of Linear power or Blues, and I have been associated with both companies for a very long time (Linear power 29 + years now and I was with Blues from the original start in 1989). I actually do not know the identity of Jimmy2345, someone on another thread asked if it was Jimmy Walker, which is part of our group, and it is not. So I can't speak for Jimmy2345's opinions or actions, I see he likes the products and supposrts them which is great, but I don't approve of anyone inside or outside of our group causing bad karama, because so many others try to do the same to us.
Anyone is welcome to listen to any of our vehicles, we have nothing to hide and want to show and let people listen to the vehicles. We have been shipping the speakers since early last summer
As far as the industry, we are designing and building all of our product in America (except the tweeter which is re-engineered to our specs in Germany, not an off the shelf tweeter, different ferro-fluid, and mass) We are marketing to the high end retailers and the sound quality minded older market, not the mass market, but we will not ignore anyone interested in the products.
We are making plans for the season and considering being at SBN but do not know if we will be there are not. CES was expensive and we are recovering from that.
P.S. I don't drink horse piss, but a mixed drink is good, a sugar free soft drink is fine too!
My compliments on your work with the Trisobariks. Uncommonly cool! I fully get the concept and understand exactly how it works. But I also know how hard it is to reach the design goals in matching the 10 to the pair of 8s.
Well, personally, I hope you do come to SBN. It will be a pleasure to meet you if I have not already in years past (would not surprised). Horse Piss? Me neither! No fizzy yellow wussy stuff. I like a hearty brew. May even bring some of my coffee milk stout homebrew. Anyway, I don't care what you drink, it would be nice to chat regardless...
Hey buddy, great to hear from you so soon. "ASSumptions" Wow! Clever and smarter than a 5th grader! Intentions? You wonder about them? Do you ever make sense? It's simple actually. I want to work for a strong manufacturer of car audio products. That's it. Pretty simple. Ya know, I;ll bet alot of people in the industry have the same intentions. Especially since I don't see what other intentions would have anything to do 12V.
Oh I see, so now what you never heard is being passed off as an insinuation? Seriously, you gotta do better than that. And why are to not yelling at LP for using new technology. WAIT! Let me guess! Their new technology is cooler than ours because our is not for SQ and is just shitty in general?! Is that right? You're a piece of work! I have now talked to the president and another LP/Blues guy. Both cool guys what in the hell happened to you? I will hopefully meet them at SBN. But I feel sorry for them for having you as one of their advocates. I would much rather learn from them, since nothing you said has ever made sense. You talk about products that do not exist. You know zero about our current products. Again and again and again, your opinion can be respected and you are entitled to it, but your relentless spewage of spineless nonsense and immature attitude degraded your opinion to nothing. Nobody cares what you think. Not because you may be right or wrong, but because you just love to hear yourself talk crap about things you know nothing about. Argh! Why am I wasting more time on you?
You simply ignored everything I stated and spewed off a bunch of personal attacks. Now who is the immature one? Real professional. You know it's all true. Alot of us see right through your marketing tactics....simply by listening to the product your company releases.
Ok, Grizz.....
I just downloaded the 2011 catalog... I now understand the whole ingenix thing! So the units have a COPPER CHASSIS and detachable face!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am really starting to like this! I love the Kenwood units and am a little hessitant to try something completely new but so far you have some features that I have been really waiting for. Alpine also has a unit coming out that seems pretty nice too (and I have hated all things alpine for the last several years!). If there is any chance at getting some first hand photo's of the dd units and the amps?
Also I re-read your response about the 3way set from ss.....I agree about the mounting/custom fab! I had already set up my apillars to take a certain tweeter and the ppi's were a hair to small for it. Some extra "stuff" would have been handy so I didnt have to dive any deeper into the setup. Sounds like the ss would fit great! The ppi tweets were nice and not at all bright to me. I had them pretty off axis and they had excellent response. I like your description of the ss tweets and set overall. I cant say enough great things about that little midrange. If you guys sold them individually you all could probably retire That was a serious homerun! I would buy a few sets of them if I could! My only real complaint with the set is that it was just not loud enough for my tastes (midbass only) but the sq was no joke. Very detailed set! In a quiet vehicle, and off modest power its golden! I drive a big ass truck with large tires and its loud!
Glad you are getting it. I cannot possibly tell it all on here. Plus then I would like an ass and I can do that efficiently already. LOL
We are making a couple of last minute software revisions, then I should get samples...
I have my PPI set mid and tweeter on the a-pilar which is damn near on the glass of my Jeep. I think Jeeps second big purpose was to make the worst sounding vehicles possible! My drivers simple mount in a whole. I was going to go back and make an enclosure for them somehow, but there is no point. I have one of the only killer sounding Jeeps in the world. I dig it! But it still would not be my choice for an SQ comp vehicle build. Can't wait to hear it with my MS-8!!!
You simply ignored everything I stated and spewed off a bunch of personal attacks. Now who is the immature one? Real professional. You know it's all true. Alot of us see right through your marketing tactics....simply by listening to the product your company releases.
Did you bother reading my request for qualifying (really qualifying) all the remarks you're making in the first place?
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Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but since you are slinging mud like there is no tomorrow...do you mind telling me what specs make the brands you like better products?
I know that specs aren't everything and in the end, your ears are more important. But so far, you have no facts, just opinions. No comparative data, just loudmouthing. And if you think saying things like "I've tried products you only dream of" or "I have more experience in my toe than you do in your body" holds any weight here...you must be out of your mind. So as the old saying goes, "either put up, or GTFO of this thread".
BTW, Grizz, I don't have a preference for your products either way, but thanks for taking the time to come on this board and talk to the members. It is always appreciated when people who have a hand in the development of products come here and interact at a one-on-one level.
I came on her by request and I feel bad. I wanted to answer everybody's questions and hope I did not miss any. But I just could not resist answering Jimmy. And I think I did well with not calling him any name other than Slick. Had I not been an manufacturer member, I would have unleashed wildly!
You simply ignored everything I stated and spewed off a bunch of personal attacks. Now who is the immature one? Real professional. You know it's all true. Alot of us see right through your marketing tactics....simply by listening to the product your company releases.
I love it! So, by "us", you mean you because unless I only get every other post, your are an army of 1.
But hey, you managed to get you last sentence in again about our products. Good for you for being so consistent, event though that it the only thing you are consistent about...
Ooops, not done with you yet. BTW I am not in marketing anymore. I have to much to do with speaker engineering as we jump into home audio and DJ/Pro.
OK, first of all, our amplifier Engineer is American but originally European. He is not Chinese. Nice try slick. Our spec'ed parts are all high quality parts and are test for tolerance as they are inserted. Got a problem with that slick? There are a bunch of guys still running OS Soundstream and PPI products. Really, that is all you got? You need so substance badly. We add or delete new products as the market demands. I suppose that is bad too. How many companies do you know that only make old school products and nothing new. Oh shit! LP has a new revision of an amplifier. I'm sure it is killer, but are you going to insult them because they did something new, or maybe because they are doing something that US and every other company in the world does - improve?
Consumers aren't smart?! Ya know, you a real asshole! This forum is made up of consumers and enthusiast which are also consumers. I am a consumer as well. So who in the hell are you to insult this entire forum and put yourself on a pedestal? You're a tool man!
Oh, your next one is great! "How can there be a new and better than ever amp and speaker every year? You mean that last years amp is now no good?"
Well Mr. Tool, let me tell you. Brace yourself. It is called TECHNOLOGY! it has never stopped moving since is started. Every company has a quest to move forward, get smarter and use the newest technologies. The fact that you cannot grasp this is f'ing mind blowing! Do you have Model A that you drive or are horses still perfect? Geez! What a Gumby! And I mean that with love, really...
I do not even know where to go with your last bit of words, Did you have a point or just wanted to say words with some sort of monumental closing statement? "it's about the music". Was that supposed to be profound?
The fact is that you do not know what all of this is about, I am not sure you even know what our topic is. But hey, as long as you enjoy coming in here and trying to ruin our PPI thread, I am glad you are having such a great time belittling yourself. Did you get the message from the president of LP? You know, the one about the pissing match and being immature. he has got to be laughing now because he got involved and did not even realize that it was a PPI thread. Cool guy, but he decided to leave and cordially asked people to start a new thread about LP if they desired. Classy move on his part. I would have done the same, but ummm, this is kind of where I belong since I work here? Do you grasp that concept? Do you know what a concept is? I know you cannot take a hint or a slap of reality so just exactly does somebody get through to you?
You are so lost....do you want me to say it again? Show me where I stated technology is not good? I stated technology alone doesn't make an amp sound better as you claim. Go back and read because you clearly like to hear yourself speak and aren't reading the replys. It takes more than that. We have already went through this. You are going back and forth with yourself and round and round in circles.
Any rational person can clearly see that you are a simpleton. You try to play the part of someone with knowledge, but don't quite get there.
Time lost, and lesson learned. One thing that did come out of all this though; others can see the type of people Epsilon hires and has working for them.
Did you bother reading my request for qualifying (really qualifying) all the remarks you're making in the first place?
I don't think he can read, only write. No wait! Dude we're gonna be rich! You and I are... wait for it... INVISIBLE! Hell yeah, this is going to be great! I'm going to the Sorority house first! Where are you going first? lol
You are so lost....do you want me to say it again? Show me where I stated technology is not good? I stated technology alone doesn't make an amp sound better as you claim. Go back and read because you clearly like to hear yourself speak and aren't reading the replys. It takes more than that. We have already went through this. You are going back and forth with yourself and round and round in circles.
Any rational person can clearly see that you are a simpleton. You try to play the part of someone with knowledge, but don't quite get there.
Time lost, and lesson learned. One thing that did come out of all this though; others can see the type of people Epsilon hires and has working for them.
Thanx Jimmy! I have no idea what you were saying, as usual, but I'm glad you think that others can tell what kind of person I am for Epsilon! I knew you could give a compliment to me. Really, thanx. But I do have to correct something. You said "lesson learned." Not true...
Grizz, I get the feeling that this guy is here to do nothing but try and tweak you. He hasn't offered any evidence for his claims, won't reply to the numerous requests for which Epsilon products he has used and won't supply us with any of his car audio history other than a vague reference to "15+ years" of "trying just about everything available".
He sounds like a wannabe and a self-proclaimed genius. He has already been disavowed by the very company he claims to hold in such high regard. He is a troll and a joke.
He has publicly trashed another manufacturer in a public thread which, and I may be wrong, could be (or should be ) grounds for being banned. ***Mods, alittle help with this Jimmy2345 loser?
Linear power has been the fourm boner for that year or so. There's so many newer amps that ARE better than them. I have a friend who thinks my TRU c7.2T is shit cause he's got the LP boner. I know another person who hates my Alpine SPX pro cause they aren't seas. Heck I even said I swaped (I didn't) out my SPx for a set seas and he said he loved them... wtf a retard.
Sorry... I could care less about LP. It's not the product, but the followers that made me over look them and this thread jimmy and LP themselves makes me over look them MORE.
how about jimmy you run what you run and shut your yap about these LP products. NO one in a PPI thread cares how you feel that your LP are gold.
ever notice that LP and jimmy jump in all neg. on a PPI thread? come on really... children
Chris
system for sale.
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He hasn't offered any evidence for his claims, won't reply to the numerous requests for which Epsilon products he has used and won't supply us with any of his car audio history other than a vague reference to "15+ years" of "trying just about everything available".
He sounds like a wannabe and a self-proclaimed genius.
We all know that's a dead end street. I start naming off every piece of equipment I have ever owned, my experience, my whole life story, and then all Grizz's boy toys start saying I live in a basement with my mom and don't even own a car.
Come on. You can do better than that.
How about we chalk it up to this. LP has never sold out and doesn't have a reputation for producing products inferior to what they made in the past. For some reason Orion, SS, PPI and just about every other company from the car audio hay days do. Hmmm....I wonder why. Probably because it's a fact.
Jimmy.....Do the WORLD a favor, stick your head in a bucket full of water and hold your breath for a VERY long time..... Now it will get a little difficult but dont give up, just keep holding that breath! There should be a light..... GO TO IT AS FAST AS YOU CAN!
YOU FUCKING REJECT! GET LOST, no one likes you, no one cares what you have to say, you dont say anything to begin with? Just go fuck yourself and get it overwith. Your nothing but a useless plague. You dont know anything, you dont understand anything, and you will never be anything. Long walk-Short pier!!!!!!!!!!
fucking tool!
Sorry, I dont hold things in as well as everyone else. It needed to be said!
Re: New PPI amps (Phantom & Black Ice)
Mcintosh just could not hold a flame to the HRU in that arena, add in the balanced lines, and the very useful xover features (although the mc404 had some great xover capability as well) and it its a no brainer for me. To be honest, if I were to do it over again I would take the Ref 4.920 over the HRU and several others. You put the 4.920, an older (any model) soundstream amp, or a Mcintosh and about a thousand other amps.... on a table and tell me I can have one amp, I am most likely taking the ref 4.920. The amount of clean and robust 
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