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Minidsp CDSP-DL 8x12 Dirac live upgrade or new release help

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#1 ·
My cdspdl will be here tomorrow or next day ,

If anyone also has upgraded there’s or got a new unit and experienced any issues with yours please share what those issues are and how you resolved them.

I will try and help anyone with there unit as much as I can if you having issues.
Me and a few others have been using ddrc24s ddrc22s or ddrc88s or 2x4HDs which all share a similar platform as far as the UI and functionality.
I’m sure there’s some experts here that can share somethings also.

On the minidsp forum a couple ppl had issues getting Dirac to output and a new firmware was given, I do not know if it is live and a official build or if it was a patch that minidsp supplied to them on a individual basis.

This is a very good unit and packed with power. even the most problematic acoustic problems can be made into sweet music bliss with this guy.
There is a learning curve to this type of dsp but it’s easy and anyone can do it.
You will make even the most experienced tuners shake and tremble when you have one of these installed.

Hope to get good input from anyone that has got there’s already.
Please let us know what isn’t working or doesn’t make sense the way you initially thought we can get it working the right way with a little bit.

There’s a gain structure procedure on minidsp for the ddrc88a/bm and it’s very good. This should be adopted to the CDSP-DL as it’s almost the same unit, and the level setting part is the same.

Thanks in advance:surprised:
 
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#2 ·
On the minidsp forum a couple ppl had issues getting Dirac to output and a new firmware was given, I do not know if it is live and a official build or if it was a patch that minidsp supplied to them on a individual basis.
It's a file that they sent, in the email they said if it's successful they will release a software update. Fixed the problem for both myself and the other guy, so I imagine a software update will be available soon.

Are you still thinking of making a video of setting it up? I know you mentioned it in the other thread, it would be very handy to have as initial set up of the routing/mixer tabs and DLCT can be daunting!
 
#7 ·
Having been playing with the DL for about a week now, it kind of feels like cheating a little. I have a tune that rivals, if not beats, the best manual tune I'd done previously. Stage is wide, center is in the center, bass is not behind me. Dirac took all of 10 minutes, the manual tune, no idea, it easily took hours of REW measurements and EQ tweaks. I think for some of the guys who can nail down a good tune relatively quickly, this unit won't be for them, but for many of us it's great, just in the time saving alone.

There's still a couple minor, but annoying bugs in the software, the worst being it tells you the levels are too low, when you've already set them correctly. Clicking OK then Start and it proceeds like it should do, it's just annoying having to click it every time.
 
#8 ·
Are you talking about the dialog box that opens on first measurement?

Lmao! Hahaha ....is that what it says? I’ve never took the time to read it , I figured it was an annoying dialogue warning about levels ...I never realized it says too low.....


When it takes measurements on the bottom of the screen in DLCT it should show the mono waveform graph of the measurements, that should be about (roughly) half to 3/4 filled with audio traces. It shouldn’t be itty bitty small.

I usually measure at -35dbfs with a mic gain at 0

I never push the umik1 into the red on mic gain , the umik1 has a lot of gain (+18db) but that’s just me, it shouldn’t matter too much as long as your filling the audio track like I said about half to three quarters.
 
#28 · (Edited)
After 2 hours this nerdy guy finally went live



Whallah I pretty sure I sucked at explaining it and can re do but hey I put something for yalls right before putting the kids to bed



https://youtu.be/vPkNq8d-wuk
Awesome thanks

I feel like the the cdsp dl is going to be weird with trying to find a curve that works and making all the speakers crossovers roll off at perfect slopes. I guess I'd just have to have it in my hands to try before i can say i do or don't understand the software. Or can or cant make it work.



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#32 ·
Umm doing it with a single ddrc24 with my horns now and it’s badass!


Although......... I can go over it with a ddrc22d.
I don’t think you can link channels twice in cdsp
So we’ll see , I’ll play with it

Worst case I’ll use my cdsp in the end for a 1st dirac run and make crossovers in Dirac than use my ddrc22d and go over everything with it



The should acoustically sum tho if the target is broken, that part works with an acoustical filter I do know so theoretically yes

I’ll let you know soon tho I guess
 
#30 ·
I'm close to pulling the trigger on the upgrade for my 8x12.

Something I'm trying to understand is how this works through the crossover regions. If assigning one Dirac channel per speaker set (FL, FR, Sub) as the manuals example shows for active 3way & sub - how does it adjust the timing/phase independently for each driver in those xover regions as any changes would affect both drivers. I would think that assigning a single Dirac channel per driver would provide better results?... I suppose some experimenting would validate.
 
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Something I'm trying to understand is how this works through the crossover regions. If assigning one Dirac channel per speaker set (FL, FR, Sub) as the manuals example shows for active 3way & sub - how does it adjust the timing/phase independently for each driver in those xover regions as any changes would affect both drivers. I would think that assigning a single Dirac channel per driver would provide better results?... I suppose some experimenting would validate.
This is something I can't quite understand, it seems to work well, I just have no real idea how it is doing it. My experimenting using 7 channels is sort of for this reason, to see if it does a better job. Unfortunately I have to have the mid & midbass on the same channel (unless I ditch having rear fill) but since they are close together in physical location I am not so concerned, where as the tweeter is a good 12" or more away from the midbass, I figure giving them their own Dirac channel will possibly improve things.
 
#40 ·
I wish the remote was not so primative.

For $800+ they really should have a display so you could see control values.


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#46 ·
I wish the remote was not so primative.

For $800+ they really should have a display so you could see control values.
While I do agree the remote is not exactly great, what other DSP comes with a remote with a display? Or in fact comes with any remote at all? The Arc PS8 does not come with any that I know of, the Helix DSP Pro.2 does not come with one, and both the Helix and PS8 cost more than the MiniDSP, the Alpine H800 does not, the Dayton does not (I realize the Dayton is less than 1/4 the price).

The last DSP's I can remember that come with a remote, that also has a screen is the Audison BitOne and the Mosconi DSP's.

The funny thing with the MiniDSP remote is the manual shows that it has LED's to show the level, but it does not. If you take the remote apart, you can see on the board where the LED's should have been mounted, but for some reason they chose not to. In all honesty, I rarely ever touch the remote for mine, sometimes I will switch a preset if I am at a meet or turn the sub up/down but that's about it.


oabeieo said:
Holy mother of sliced spaced ships!!!!!!!
I had a feeling you would like it once you got it installed. I have a solid preset now that sounds good, but want to go out and try a few things with mine, but alas, work is in the way!!



I know it's silly but record a video with your iPhone of music playing. Just wanna get a sense of the space and ambience of the interior of the car.
I don't know if it would even come through on something like that recording, if oabeieo does not make a quick recording, I can try, but I doubt you will get any sense of the space that this thing generates.
 
#42 · (Edited)
You guys are a little obnoxious

LISTEN TO ME!

I Finally got all 8ch working .

Holy mother of sliced spaced ships!!!!!!!

Who cares about the price or the remote or whatever ....it’s all whatever


My gains are ****ed up! I had to limp through the measurements and got through them.

I linked all channels , drew a streigjt line , and unlinked and worked the seperate drivers stopband a tiny bit (almost not at all, in fact only did it to my midbass)
Plugged the filter in and the spaceship ****in landed on me.

It’s amazing. Better than anything I’ve ever heard in my life. No joke. I’m not bragging.
It didn’t even sound like I was sitting in a car. It sounded like I was sitting in a huge room with such perfectly detailed vocal that is perfectly placed in the center.


I’ve been dracing for awhile now and have never gotten this level of detail or ambiance or imaging ever.

This unit has magic dust gang. Don’t ask me how yet I’m going to figure it out tho.
At this point I don’t care about phase responses or impulses or anything anymore
I only care about keeping it sounding-like this. Nothing else.

It’s that good. I’m not lying. Something about seperate Dirac on each channel and this unit.
I don’t know if the algo is changed for car , I don’t know nothing yet. I’m still trying to grasp how it sounds like it does.


There’s definitely a video tomorrow.
I’ve got to scope out my gains first and get prepared for the spaceship to arrive again


<a href='https://postimg.cc/NKjVNSp3' target='_blank'><img src='https://i.postimg.cc/g2VW0PR2/3-D1552-FE-97-FD-4-B03-B4-B6-C9-FB6-FB5288-E.jpg' border='0' alt='3-D1552-FE-97-FD-4-B03-B4-B6-C9-FB6-FB5288-E'/></a>


No pretune no post tune

Just tuned my left mid down 1.5db after that’s it

No peq , basic ass crossovers with no alignment at all , it should be a wreck but it’s not.


The mess

(Except how my midbass play to 16hz hehehe)

 
#43 ·
You guys are a little obnoxious



LISTEN TO ME!



I Finally got all 8ch working .



Holy mother of sliced spaced ships!!!!!!!



Who cares about the price or the remote or whatever ....it’s all whatever





My gains are ****ed up! I had to limp through the measurements and got through them.



I linked all channels , drew a streigjt line , and unlinked and worked the seperate drivers stopband a tiny bit (almost not at all, in fact only did it to my midbass)

Plugged the filter in and the spaceship ****in landed on me.



It’s amazing. Better than anything I’ve ever heard in my life. No joke. I’m not bragging.

It didn’t even sound like I was sitting in a car. It sounded like I was sitting in a huge room with such perfectly detailed vocal that is perfectly placed in the center.





I’ve been dracing for awhile now and have never gotten this level of detail or ambiance or imaging ever.



This unit has magic dust gang. Don’t ask me how yet I’m going to figure it out tho.

At this point I don’t care about phase responses or impulses or anything anymore

I only care about keeping it sounding-like this. Nothing else.



It’s that good. I’m not lying. Something about seperate Dirac on each channel and this unit.

I don’t know if the algo is changed for car , I don’t know nothing yet. I’m still trying to grasp how it sounds like it does.





There’s definitely a video tomorrow.

I’ve got to scope out my gains first and get prepared for the spaceship to arrive again
Well that's offly exciting. Got me a lil jittery.

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#44 ·
I know it's silly but record a video with your iPhone of music playing. Just wanna get a sense of the space and ambience of the interior of the car.


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