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I'm hoping to get something nice in the daily driver. I'll eventually do a few other things too but this is all that matters to me now.

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Amplifier: JBL MS-A1004 -- review from PASMAG PASMAG | PERFORMANCE AUTO AND SOUND - JBL MS-A1004 Amplifier















The goal of this install is to keep the footprint small while keeping any compromises small. I'll run the PHD speakers active. The tweeters will be powered from the JBL MS-8 as well as the rear speakers which will stay stock. The mids will run off two channels from the MS-A amplifier. I haven't nailed down what I'm going to do with the two subs but I'm torn between two options. One being a ported .35 cubic foot enclosure that will be up front and the other would include both subs in a horn.


Here's what I've done thus far...

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Removed the speaker output.

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Labeled and prepared as input for the JBL MS-8.




I'm creating a temporary block in case I plan to make changes. Although I can make the RNS-315 a low level output/RCA connection I rather just keep it as high level output for the time being.






Next I started to run power for the MS-8. Minimum input is recommended to be 12awg. I found an empty slot on the back of the fuse box inside the vehicle. A female spade terminal fit perfect! It has a nice size wire going back to the fuse box in the engine bay. The MS-8 will be going under the driver's seat.















Then I ran 4awg wire for the Amplifier that'll be going under the passenger seat.


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I used a ground I found to the right of the passenger seat and established that first with 4awg cable.












Then ran it under the carpet right next to the seat. I had to unbolt it and lift it up though.








It exits the carpet from a cut out.






I ran the 4awg positive through a grommet that's in the driver's side.

Location of grommet and it's removed...












Into the engine bay...behind where the battery is for all the non-hybrids.






Ran it behind the fuse box...





Added in-line fuse.





Connected to fuse box.








Also found a couple rattles for anybody who's been tracking them down. One rattle was the fuse box. It was VERY loose. The washers were actually rattling back and forth. Another was the floor vents. They connect to a primary duct. There was just enough space that vibrations caused the vent and duct to rattle against each other. I used foam tape to seal it up. It also got rid of the whistling noise from my hvac.






Terrible shot of the hvac...but this is the floor vent that connects to the primary duct. It was pretty tight. Maybe I'll try to get another shot later?



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Sub'd, always into what is done to VWs!

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I'm taking this install slowly because the wife doesn't want it to be an obsession. So I'll be posting little by little as the weekends come and go. Hope this helps other folks. If anybody has any constructive criticism go ahead and post! As of right now the only two things I can think of are the grounding point because of possible feedback into the system and the power connection at the fuse box in the engine bay...mostly because I don't fully comprehend the charging system layout. But power is power right? The source I chose is 12V power!


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Nice progress so far. For what I hear hybrids have way better charging systems than standard cars, but I want to see how you deal with it before I jump into my wife's Prius.

Just an FYI, I have an ms-8 in my Vw, it renders your factory Bluetooth useless. The 8 ms delay that it adds gives you an echo. My solution (annoying, I know) is I mute my phone whenever the other person is talking. Without doing that the echo that they hear is so bad that they can't talk.

Also, if you are using the internal amp on the ms-8 I would use bigger power cable than 12 ga. As it is I'm using 12 and I plan to upgrade to 8 when I go into the access area next.

Check my install to see some stealthy ideas. I know it's not a jetta, but it's still a Vw.

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Well I believe max current draw is 16 amps when using the internal amplifier and 1 amp when processor only. I plan on using 2 channels for tweets and 2 channels on rear speakers. I might look into a distro block but I don't foresee my 3 foot of 12awg being a problem. Am I dumb?

Good call on factory Bluetooth. Maybe I could defeat processing when I get a call? Opens the possibility for aftermarket stereo too.


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I'm not sure what you paid for the Quadlock harness but you could have bought repair wires from the dealership for about $3. Your way would be a bit quicker to swap if you decide to.

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I found the quad lock for 12 dollars shipped. The lowest between dealers was 8 dollars per repair wire. After looking at your thread I removed the quad lock from my vehicle and googled the part number.

Only reason I'm not terminating into rca is because I don't have access to vagcom. I might have found a local with vag and if so I'll just add female rca's


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$8 per wire??? That's highway robbery.

If I was absolutely sure I'd never need it again, I'd sell you mine. I used it all the time. Great tool

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Well I believe max current draw is 16 amps when using the internal amplifier and 1 amp when processor only. I plan on using 2 channels for tweets and 2 channels on rear speakers. I might look into a distro block but I don't foresee my 3 foot of 12awg being a problem. Am I dumb?

Good call on factory Bluetooth. Maybe I could defeat processing when I get a call? Opens the possibility for aftermarket stereo too.
You are not dumb. Try it, but just keep an eye on the wire. Feel it after running the system, if it gets hot then change it.

You can't defeat processing to eliminate the delay...it's there all the time. I didn't connect the rear speakers from the factory deck to the ms8 because I'm only using front stage and the deck is faded to the front, but when I use the nav it still plays through the rear and it makes her sound evil.

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I would just replace the MS-8 with a 6to8 and call it a day. Of the processors I used in my Golf that's the one that interfaced with the 510 the best.

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You are not dumb. Try it, but just keep an eye on the wire. Feel it after running the system, if it gets hot then change it.

You can't defeat processing to eliminate the delay...it's there all the time. I didn't connect the rear speakers from the factory deck to the ms8 because I'm only using front stage and the deck is faded to the front, but when I use the nav it still plays through the rear and it makes her sound evil.

Hrmmm. Maybe that's the issue? I was wondering why you'd get an echo. I plan on using the MS8 for the single source to all channels.

I have thought about the 6to8 as well. But the more options available for tuning the more time I'll spend just changing settings for no reason


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I would just replace the MS-8 with a 6to8 and call it a day. Of the processors I used in my Golf that's the one that interfaced with the 510 the best.

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Just looked over mosconi's dsp. I can appreciate the 6to8. But the MS8 with the internal amp does help keep the system small(er). I guess I'll have to see if this will be a crash and burn. I haven't seen too many middle of the road reviews for the MS8. Most seem to love it or hate it.

I do believe that 6to8 is my next step if I'm not a fan of the JBL.


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Hrmmm. Maybe that's the issue? I was wondering why you'd get an echo. I plan on using the MS8 for the single source to all channels.

I have thought about the 6to8 as well. But the more options available for tuning the more time I'll spend just changing settings for no reason
At what I thought at first, but then I disconnected my amp and ran the rear speakers only. No sound from phone calls at all from the rear.

The echo is the person I am talking to hearing themselves on the 8ms delay. As it plays though the speakers the mic picks it up and it reads like an echo.

I don't want to talk you of he ms8 as I think it's great otherwise. I just want to make sure you know all of its faults before spending the money on it.

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You are not dumb. Try it, but just keep an eye on the wire. Feel it after running the system, if it gets hot then change it.

You can't defeat processing to eliminate the delay...it's there all the time. I didn't connect the rear speakers from the factory deck to the ms8 because I'm only using front stage and the deck is faded to the front, but when I use the nav it still plays through the rear and it makes her sound evil.
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There is only one update and it turns the mute button into a processing off button. It isn't Windows, so there's no need to update unless you're trying to solve THAT specific problem (bluetooth echo). If you are trying to fix bluetooth, then go into the audio controls menu and turn processing and Logic7 off. If it fixes your problem, then update. IF it doesn't, then don't update.
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Thanks! I had a feeling it was due to processing and alignment


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Just looked over mosconi's dsp. I can appreciate the 6to8. But the MS8 with the internal amp does help keep the system small(er). I guess I'll have to see if this will be a crash and burn. I haven't seen too many middle of the road reviews for the MS8. Most seem to love it or hate it.

I do believe that 6to8 is my next step if I'm not a fan of the JBL.

Agreed. It is very hit or miss. I suggested the 6to8 because of the echo issue. It's so small it will fit under either front seat. I had mine on top of the BT module under the front of the pass. seat. You have to take the BT module out of the OEM foam though. No biggie.

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Agreed. It is very hit or miss. I suggested the 6to8 because of the echo issue. It's so small it will fit under either front seat. I had mine on top of the BT module under the front of the pass. seat. You have to take the BT module out of the OEM foam though. No biggie.
Lucky for me the RNS-315 has the bluetooth module built in! I plan on placing the MS-A1004 beneath the passenger seat

That 6to8 looks really nice. I'd love to have that displayed and not hidden.


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Lucky for me the RNS-315 has the bluetooth module built in! I plan on placing the MS-A1004 beneath the passenger seat

That 6to8 looks really nice. I'd love to have that displayed and not hidden.
I keep forgetting you have the 315. Yes, you have much more space. JL's HD amps will fit under one of the seats.

It'll be pretty easy to display and look nice because it's small enough to go anywhere.

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I have tried to defeat the processing and I don't think it eliminated the echo. I will try it again as I'm 99% sure it's due to the 8ms delay. If turning off the processing gets rid of the 8ms delay then it SHOULD work.

T3sn4f2, where does the mute button appear? On the display for the ms-8? What is the harm in updating the software? I saw where it was said that once you update you can't go back...why would you want to?

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I have tried to defeat the processing and I don't think it eliminated the echo. I will try it again as I'm 99% sure it's due to the 8ms delay. If turning off the processing gets rid of the 8ms delay then it SHOULD work.

T3sn4f2, where does the mute button appear? On the display for the ms-8? What is the harm in updating the software? I saw where it was said that once you update you can't go back...why would you want to?

I don't know if there's any inherent delay even if you defeat the processing. What I mean, is...just having your front speakers hooked up while leaving the rears out of the MS8 signal chain, you could be stuck with a slight delay between front and rear.

If I were you, I'd add the rear speakers to MS8 amp output. Once you defeat the processing then everything should be on the same page without any potential delay or echo.


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I have tried to defeat the processing and I don't think it eliminated the echo. I will try it again as I'm 99% sure it's due to the 8ms delay. If turning off the processing gets rid of the 8ms delay then it SHOULD work.

T3sn4f2, where does the mute button appear? On the display for the ms-8? What is the harm in updating the software? I saw where it was said that once you update you can't go back...why would you want to?
-I can't provide any more details on how the defeat processing function eliminates the echo, other than the quote from Andy. If it remains even after you defeat processing and logic7, then I would PM Andy and see what he has to say.

-The downside to upgrading the firmware to see if it helps is that you loose mute function permanently. Since you can't go back to the original firmware and the mute button on the remote, the one that will have its function replaced, is the only way to mute the MS-8.
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I don't know if there's any inherent delay even if you defeat the processing. What I mean, is...just having your front speakers hooked up while leaving the rears out of the MS8 signal chain, you could be stuck with a slight delay between front and rear.

If I were you, I'd add the rear speakers to MS8 amp output. Once you defeat the processing then everything should be on the same page without any potential delay or echo.
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-I can't provide any more details on how the defeat processing function eliminates the echo, other than the quote from Andy. If it remains even after you defeat processing and logic7, then I would PM Andy and see what he has to say.

-The downside to upgrading the firmware to see if it helps is that you loose mute function permanently. Since you can't go back to the original firmware and the mute button on the remote, the one that will have its function replaced, is the only way to mute the MS-8.
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Since you can't go back to the original firmware and the mute button on the remote, the one that will have its function replaced, is the only way to mute the MS-8.
Who says you can't go back?

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