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I only planned on 4 actual tweeters. The other 4 are the wide band CDT HD-2 that play up to 20k and are a mid/tweet combo. Will be perfect for place like my back door. I get th point though and got it the first time. Most peoples opinion is it would be overkill. And Victor stay away from ARCs demo boat using the DXE and basically what im doing just by a factor of about 8
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There is a difference between overkill and bad. Your idea isn't overkill, it's bad.
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So 4 12's, 4 mid bass, 4 wide bands and 4 tweeters is "bad"? CDT sells 4 tweeters with 2 mid bass drivers. I'll try it and if I don't like it easy to change since I already looked into it and a 3" mid fits same cut out as a HD2. Or disconnect the A pillar pod TW-25. But I might like it, then what? You must have tried the same setup before. I'd say this is going no where. Thanks for the help fellas. http://content.arcaudio.com/pdfs/rev...views-8.03.pdf 50 drivers and a DXE, 3 other crossovers, probably sounded like crap

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Two really good tweeters, not 8, would keep up with your plan, and deliver a much more defined stage than what you've outlined here.

Even if you're just going for SPL, keep your high frequency drivers low in count... 8 tweeters is something you'll never be able to tune, no matter what the goal...

I also agree with the idea of using horns for this, if you have the space...

Then again, I'm pretty sure I could find room for two horns more easily than I could find space for 8 tweeters...
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yes, it most likely will be bad. do you even have any processing to handle all of it?

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There is a difference between overkill and bad. Your idea isn't overkill, it's bad.
Short and sweet, exactly to the point. two mid bass drivers per side is overkill- more than that- just bad.
more than one high frequency driver per side is just bad regardless of the type.

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Short and sweet, exactly to the point. two mid bass drivers per side is overkill- more than that- just bad.
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I'm honored. If the OP wants a more educational explanation I'd be happy to provide it, but in general, I'm a fan of pithy.
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I'm honored. If the OP wants a more educational explanation I'd be happy to provide it, but in general, I'm a fan of pithy.
I`m happy to give a credit when credit is due like it is in this case.
short version should be good enough.
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Best advice by a mile! Couple it with ONE pro audio 10" or 12" mid bass per side and it's tunable and probably just as loud as the current setup with far less power.

I don't like those subs either once I read the description. They state a sealed box is better than any other alignment and act as if they're the only ones to discover sealed. They talk about the suspension as a spring that changes over time when they rely on the air suspension making their subs superior to everyone else. It's scary when the manufacturer doesn't even know that the motor provides the damping.

I think the OP for his goals would be MUCH happier with a moderately good sub like a pair of ID Max 12s or better, 15s, or any number of other subs in a ported setup. It would be much louder than those 4 12s sealed and I have a feeling he would not mind a sightly higher tuning frequency than most of us for even more gain.

I think this would be the most efficient way to go about this and it could actually be tuned and use far less power while getting louder than the current setup.
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Best advice by a mile! Couple it with ONE pro audio 10" or 12" mid bass per side and it's tunable and probably just as loud as the current setup with far less power.

I don't like those subs either once I read the description. They state a sealed box is better than any other alignment and act as if they're the only ones to discover sealed. They talk about the suspension as a spring that changes over time when they rely on the air suspension making their subs superior to everyone else. It's scary when the manufacturer doesn't even know that the motor provides the damping.

I think the OP for his goals would be MUCH happier with a moderately good sub like a pair of ID Max 12s or better, 15s, or any number of other subs in a ported setup. It would be much louder than those 4 12s sealed and I have a feeling he would not mind a sightly higher tuning frequency than most of us for even more gain.

I think this would be the most efficient way to go about this and it could actually be tuned and use far less power while getting louder than the current setup.
Also agreed 100%.
IMHO sealed box is for shitty designed subs and lazy installers. or combinations of both.with rare exemption of space limitations.
Almost any sub can sound better in ported box if implemented correctly despite what manufacturer "recommended" to minimize warranty claims.
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Also agreed 100%.
IMHO sealed box is for shitty designed subs and lazy installers. or combinations of both.with rare exemption of space limitations.
Almost any sub can sound better in ported box if implemented correctly despite what manufacturer "recommended" to minimize warranty claims.
Space limitations aren't that rare...

Ported boxes unload drastically below their tuned frequency...

Many ported boxes sound like a "one note wonder"...

The ONLY down-side to using a sealed box is that you "might" have gained 3dB SPL if you had ported it instead... At the expense of giving up MANY more cubic feet of usable space. Also, that "should've been" ported box will undoubtedly suffer one or more of the aforementioned symptoms.

Solution: I don't know how YOU see it, Victor, but I'm willing to power my way through it with a couple of sealed chambers and about 5.5 KW on sub... which delivers a smooth and accurate response, wins SQL awards, and still plays loud as fuck

How shitty is that, Victor?

The way you generalize and compartmentalize everything... It's like you've not seen much of this world yet...

Perhaps you should put on some underwear and leave Mom's basement once in a while...

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Space limitations aren't that rare...

Ported boxes unload drastically below their tuned frequency...

Many ported boxes sound like a "one note wonder"...

The ONLY down-side to using a sealed box is that you "might" have gained 3dB SPL if you had ported it instead... At the expense of giving up MANY more cubic feet of usable space. Also, that "should've been" ported box will undoubtedly suffer one or more of the aforementioned symptoms.

Solution: I don't know how YOU see it, Victor, but I'm willing to power my way through it with a couple of sealed chambers and about 5.5 KW on sub... which delivers a smooth and accurate response, wins SQL awards, and still plays loud as fuck

How shitty is that, Victor?

The way you generalize and compartmentalize everything... It's like you've not seen much of this world yet...

Perhaps you should put on some underwear and leave Mom's basement once in a while...

key word is properly,one generalizing here is you, read it one more time and think before you post. when you have space to build SQ sealed I can build better sounding ported in the same space. so why sealed?
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key word is properly,one generalizing here is you, read it one more time and think before you post. when you have space to build SQ sealed I can build better sounding ported in the same space. so why sealed?
Can you, really?

With space constrictions and frequency response being considered, a ported box will certainly deliver higher SPL at a certain frequency, but will almost NEVER have a comparably good response curve, nor maintain good bass extension below it's tuned frequency... When we don't have room for a big ported box which has an inferior response, some of us go sealed and throw more power into it... This is also considered "properly done".

What are you trying to tell me, Victor?

Are you trying to tell me that you can't resist the urge to disagree with me?

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bullshit! learn to calculate proper boxes, compensating bad box design by throwing more power is easiest way, but never that box will produce better (more linear FR) with less distortion. that is basics. Almost never good response curve? bullshit again unless good in your book somehow different from reference signal.restricting sub movement by air spring is bad practice acceptable in some cases. Try reading theory for starters.
That is all I`m trying to tell you. you either trying to learn or prefer to stay ignorant. that is up to you.
or and to answer your last remark, unlike you I answer questions directed at me.
I don`t have an urge to disagree with you, you are nobody to me. But I always feel the urge to disagree with ignorance.
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Ported isn't any better than sealed just like sealed isn't any better than ported, they both have their pros and cons, why does your dog have to be bigger than his dog ?
More power does not equate to deeper bass or a flatter response, all it does it make the bass louder..
Sealed boxes are very forgiving, they can make almost any speaker sound good if the enclosure is properly sized..
Same goes a ported but a ported box will also sound good and get louder.
Throwing power at a sealed enclosure when you're goal is SPL, seems rather wasteful to your electrical resources when all you need is a ported enclosure to start with..
Then, if it's still not loud enough you should start throwing power at it but whatever the intended purpose is use the proper type of enclosure,.
In the past i thought a sealed box was the schitt until i put my subs in a vented enclosure, I'll never go back to a sealed box..
Luckily in this great big world of ours there's something for everybody and everybody can have their opinion on what they think is best, some folks like a sealed box for SQ and some folks prefer a ported enclosure for SPL and some folks just the opposite..
The truth is, it's all good
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In the past i thought a sealed box was the schitt until i put my subs in a vented enclosure, I'll never go back to a sealed box..

I can find thousand confessions on this very site stating this conversion. I can`t find any opposite. rest of the post is too loose to agree without writing a small essay I`m too lazy to repeat for millions time.
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the things i would do to port my morels.. theres just no room in a 2 seat hatchback that already has 6 larger sized amps tucked away, without making the whole rear of the car hideous. but, on the other had, without cabin gain i would have a flat response down to 30hz in the appropriately sized box

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the things i would do to port my morels.. theres just no room in a 2 seat hatchback that already has 6 larger sized amps tucked away, without making the whole rear of the car hideous. but, on the other hand, without cabin gain i would have a flat response down to 30hz in the appropriately sized box
I know YOU would. space limitation is legitimate reason.
I just can`t stand arrogant assclowns who bought their first POS amp screwed it on top of small sealed box with drywall screws and all of a sudden became experts in sound reproduction. It seems that approach prevail lately in car audio world.
Not saying that anyone in this thread qualified as such, just general observation from the guy who often accused in generalisations.
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I know YOU would. space limitation is legitimate reason.
I just can`t stand arrogant assclowns who bought their first POS amp screwed it on top of small sealed box with drywall screws and all of a sudden became experts in sound reproduction. It seems that approach prevail lately in car audio world.
Not saying that anyone in this thread qualified as such, just general observation from the guy who often accused in generalisations.
welp, you know how said person is lol. and im not sure if making the back of my car ugly as sin is worth the extra output which i know ill want. im wondering if the illusion cxl sub will have more output than the two of morels and maybe i wont have to take up so much room with a ported box, and maybe just use the morels for my daily instead of my diyma r12s that i planned on using. THEN WHAT WILL I DO WITH MY DIYMA R12'S!! ALSO MY FI Q NEEDS SOME LOVE! OH GOD WHAT A FIRST WORLD NIGHTMARE!

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