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Just curious to you SQ guys who has gone from class AB amps to class D amps and been just as happy with the sound quality ?

I’m about to get rid of both my Escalade and Pacifica and get into a new 19 Ram and there’s not a lot of room behind the seats and I also don’t want to strain the electrical system like I am in my Escalade with 3 Mosconi Zero amp. I also don’t want to do a battery , alternator ect.

I currently am running Mosconi Zero 4 x2 and a Mosconi Zero 1 in my Escalade and even with a xs battery it needs a alternator and I don’t want to do that in the new car. In my van I’m running a Zapco 150.6lx and 400.2lx and the stock electrical holds up to that ok but the amps are obviously large and eventually I plan to do a center channel when Af finally comes out with their DSP.


So is there anyone out there that has run Mosconi as or zero and Zapco lx or ap Amps and then switched to class D and been just as happy?

I’m doubting anyone has but I have to ask
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I went from Zapco Z150.6-LX to MMATS HiFi-6150D.

I'd say the MMATS sound every bit as good as the Zap did... Not better. Definitely not worse.

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Default Re: Whoís gone from class AB to class D amps and been happy?

The advatage (for me) was the compact size of the Class D.
And... they don't get hot.

In answer to your question; Yes, I am happy with the swap.

Although I still drool over the elite Class AB amps (like the new Brax MX4-Pro)

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Space is my issue and the strain that having 3 class ab amps puts on the electrical system. My 15 Escalade has a xs battery and big 3 upgrade and it’s not even close to enough.
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My plan is to run a 3 way active front stage with rear fill and when Audiofrog finally comes out with the dsp that will do a center channel I will add a 2 way active center channel. I’m not sure I could fit 3 class ab amps behind the seats. Which is why I am asking about the class d amps.
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Helix P-Six sounds as good as Mosconi.

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Space savings and efficiency trumps any sonic signature I've ever experienced. Perhaps my hearing isn't as sharp as others but I consider that a blessing to be honest. There's a lot of nice small package amps I'd hate to miss out on.

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I bench tested several lesser amplifiers than these against an old school class AB made in Japan and the differences are so small that you really cant tell. The test was done blind with my wife telling me what she preferred and she did pick the class AB 100% but she struggled to do so and I couldn't tell myself. Speakers were Kef C-45 and all amplifiers were level matched to rule that out.

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I did a compare between an old school zapco a/b amp, mosconi a/b amp and the jl audio hd600/4. Decided to keep the 600/4 and still going strong in my setup. I just don't think amps make that much of a difference, sound wise as long as it is high quality. I also have been slowly moving over to class D/H products at home now as well.

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One thing I’m noticing is the class D amps I’ve looked at like the Helix P6 , JL Vxi and audio control amps aren’t rated very high rms. Is 120rms going to be enough power on my GB60s?

I don’t really want to do amps with a built in dsp because as soon as audio frog comes out with the dsp that will do the center channel I’ll be switching to that dsp.
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I used a JBL MS-A1004 on my GB60s and a JL hd900/5. C weighted measurements on my radio shack meter said low 120dB's and as high as mid 130s. They were in small sealed boxes

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If you don't ever plan on competing I can't imagine why you would run class a/b amps. Any difference is probably never going to be heard driving around in traffic and with road noise. The space savings and efficiency/ease on electrical are also great selling points.
Having said all of that I have a bunch of old school class a/b amps and the only reason I run them is for nostalgia purposes.

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If you don't ever plan on competing I can't imagine why you would run class a/b amps. Any difference is probably never going to be heard driving around in traffic and with road noise. The space savings and efficiency/ease on electrical are also great selling points.
Having said all of that I have a bunch of old school class a/b amps and the only reason I run them is for nostalgia purposes.
I was always under the impression that class D can’t compare with ab but recently am hearing that the new class d amps are much improved. I just listed all my car audio I have for sale and am starting fresh. I honestly don’t know anything about the class D amps as I wrote them off years ago.
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Just curious to you SQ guys who has gone from class AB amps to class D amps and been just as happy with the sound quality ?

Iím about to get rid of both my Escalade and Pacifica and get into a new 19 Ram and thereís not a lot of room behind the seats and I also donít want to strain the electrical system like I am in my Escalade with 3 Mosconi Zero amp. I also donít want to do a battery , alternator ect.

I currently am running Mosconi Zero 4 x2 and a Mosconi Zero 1 in my Escalade and even with a xs battery it needs a alternator and I donít want to do that in the new car. In my van Iím running a Zapco 150.6lx and 400.2lx and the stock electrical holds up to that ok but the amps are obviously large and eventually I plan to do a center channel when Af finally comes out with their DSP.


So is there anyone out there that has run Mosconi as or zero and Zapco lx or ap Amps and then switched to class D and been just as happy?

Iím doubting anyone has but I have to ask
I just pulled out my last A/B amp and replaced it with a D class, no difference at all. Memphis Audio MCX4.75 to JL Audio XD 400/4. I don't imagine the high end Italian and German equipment could be worse. Go ahead and switch.
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I see there is class d and then class d hd what’s the difference ?
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There are alot of great class D SQ options available, but also AB. No need to throw one out for the other, if space/etc is a serious concern by all means.
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My plan is to run a 3 way active front stage with rear fill and when Audiofrog finally comes out with the dsp that will do a center channel I will add a 2 way active center channel. Iím not sure I could fit 3 class ab amps behind the seats. Which is why I am asking about the class d amps.
Iíve been running three large class A/B amps (and one class D sub amp) for a few years in my Ď15 Ram Crew Cab. The electrical is stock and Iíve never had any type of issue. System is a Sinfoni 4 channel, a pair of TRU Billets (swapped in a Brax MX2 for a while on midbass) and a Zapco class D sub amp.
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My plan is to run a 3 way active front stage with rear fill and when Audiofrog finally comes out with the dsp that will do a center channel I will add a 2 way active center channel. I’m not sure I could fit 3 class ab amps behind the seats. Which is why I am asking about the class d amps.
I’ve been running three large class A/B amps (and one class D sub amp) for a few years in my ‘15 Ram Crew Cab. The electrical is stock and I’ve never had any type of issue. System is a Sinfoni 4 channel, a pair of TRU Billets (swapped in a Brax MX2 for a while on midbass) and a Zapco class D sub amp.
I’m 90% positive its the zero1 sucking all my juice lol thing is a monster.
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When you bought the amp from me. I told you before you even bought it . That amp need juice... And you said you got it all day long lol. Looks like the juicer is running out of flavor quiet fast lolz.. either way.. zero1 needs ton of power. Love the amp... But dam ... It's demanding!

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When you bought the amp from me. I told you before you even bought it . That amp need juice... And you said you got it all day long lol. Looks like the juicer is running out of flavor quiet fast lolz.. either way.. zero1 needs ton of power. Love the amp... But dam ... It's demanding!

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No more A/B for me. I've noticed no downgrade in switching all over to D. Plus with my weak charging system it's the only way I can use the kind of power I like to use. I'd need to upgrade the electrical to use A/B. Then there's space. I need to mount 2 amps & power distro under the seats so they need to be pretty small. I could never do that with A/B. They run cooler too. Win, win, win. In my experience with Class D, A/B holds no advantage between the 2.
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Iíve been running three large class A/B amps (and one class D sub amp) for a few years in my Ď15 Ram Crew Cab. The electrical is stock and Iíve never had any type of issue. System is a Sinfoni 4 channel, a pair of TRU Billets (swapped in a Brax MX2 for a while on midbass) and a Zapco class D sub amp.
One can make a cogent argument for 4 or 6 low power channels of Class-AB and a subwoofer channel in Class-D.
(Which Tom has also shown by example)

Other home combos seen in the past have been tetrode to tweeters, pentode to mid range, and class AB to woofers.

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I could keep some of my Class AB amps for tweets and mids and Run a D on the subs and I’d probably be fine but for whatever reason mixing amps would annoy the heck out of me even though I don’t look at them. Same with mixing speakers.
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Well different experience here, I replaced 2 McIntosh mc431’s for 2 hd600/4’s and couldn’t reach home fast enough to switch them back, then my boss at that time gave me 2 focal fdp 600/4 to try and after level matching and a few of my all time favorite demo track I took them right back out. Now that I have the opportunity to work with super high end equipment I’ve found some rivals to the McIntosh and it turns out that none of them are class d, arc se, sinfoni amplitude, brax mx, phass re, just to name a few.
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I also didn’t like my JL HD amps but then again the tuner I had was a great installer and not good at tuning so I’m not sure it it was more him than the amps lol
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