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Default already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

i have a friend visiting for the weekend and we're going to try to get her car treated for sound and heat as quickly and cheapest possible. i understand this isn't an ideal situation, but im just trying to help her with this project.

noise isn't really her main concern, but heat mostly. she plans to do some car-camping (hatchback vw). as i said, we already have some of that cheap noico cld. what do you all suggest to use? not sure about budget, but it's not much.

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

https://www.amazon.com/Z-UP-Ambassad...32680764&psc=1

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

Hey there, try the Low-E foil/foam/foil insulation I got to play with in a Vette. It is super-light, flexible, easy to install, and pretty cheap. There may be other brands, I just know the Low-E brand worked great. The foam in the middle is some sort of poly in the middle so it doesn't absorb moisture. The Vette had a heat-soak problem so after laying down generous amounts of CLD, I covered most areas with this stuff and it absolutely killed the heat coming from the trans tunnel and the floor, where Vettes like to slowly roast their occupants.


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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

I use neoprene in my vehicles for cushioning MLV and panels, but it also has decent insulation properties. Seems to help a bit and pretty inexpensive

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

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I use neoprene in my vehicles for cushioning MLV and panels, but it also has decent insulation properties. Seems to help a bit and pretty inexpensive

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Yeah, Neoprene can definitely insulate. I supposed you could use it in conjunction with a product like the foil/foam/foil type barrier for extra R factor. Since he's doing it this weekend, that throws out most orders from most places like the Foam Factory, unless he orders right now and rushes it. Nick's awesome foam may soon be an option too, but it isn't cheap (nor should it be) and it probably won't be ready in time.

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

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Hey there, try the Low-E foil/foam/foil insulation I got to play with in a Vette. It is super-light, flexible, easy to install, and pretty cheap. There may be other brands, I just know the Low-E brand worked great. The foam in the middle is some sort of poly in the middle so it doesn't absorb moisture. The Vette had a heat-soak problem so after laying down generous amounts of CLD, I covered most areas with this stuff and it absolutely killed the heat coming from the trans tunnel and the floor, where Vettes like to slowly roast their occupants.


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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

If you want to go with neoprene H&R fabric has some in stock for sure. Phoenix fit and trim and keystone bros also have large selections.
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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

thanks guys! i found this while at the depot and i think it will work well and is quite affordable compared to other barriers.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Reflecti...-100052556-_-N

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

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thanks guys! i found this while at the depot and i think it will work well and is quite affordable compared to other barriers.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Reflecti...-100052556-_-N



That might do it. The Reflectix product is less foam and more foil than the Low-E, but in a pinch it might be fine.

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

right? that's about what i noticed. however, after some recent discussions, we may even incorporate an additional layer, possibly some fiberglass insulation in certain spots. whatever we end up doing, i'll post pics.

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

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That might do it. The Reflectix product is less foam and more foil than the Low-E, but in a pinch it might be fine.
Reflectix uses air bubbles instead of foam between two foil layers. It works well.

I used it in my car in most panels so far, still need to do the doors. Works well, considering I'm currently driving a black car. Once I get the doors done, and get some window shades for the huge back hatch glass, it should be pretty comfy in there.

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Reflectix uses air bubbles instead of foam between two foil layers. It works well.

I used it in my car in most panels so far, still need to do the doors. Works well, considering I'm currently driving a black car. Once I get the doors done, and get some window shades for the huge back hatch glass, it should be pretty comfy in there.

I mean, foam (like polyethelene) is also mostly air, just the construct of how they blow that air into little capsules of plastic that seems to be different on construction. So it probably is similar.



Here's the Low-E in action. Definitely get the scrim tape for the edges.
















And after that project was done, I still had enough left over to do some doors for a few other projects later, that MLV would have been a poor choice for (like my WRX.) It certainly isn't as good as MLV for mass-loading, but for specific kinds of road noise and general intrusion, it works great.

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Default Re: already have cld, suggestions for additional heat barrier?

hey guys, so this project was a marathon for us. she arrived late saturday, so we really only had 3 days to complete this project, which included re-wrapping her headliner. i have no garage, so it made things a little more difficult. also, that 2009 vw rabbit was more difficult to disassemble than i anticipated (fucking center console!). but, we got it done just after midnight on tuesday before she drove home.

so, we ended up using noico brand cld (80 mil) which worked well and is quite affordable. we did close to 100% coverage where possible. i know this is not necessary for sound purposes, but we were also going for heat reduction too. then, i had a bunch of closed cell foam, about 5/16", that we used as a separating layer between the cld and the reflectix we bought at home depot. the reflectix was great, actually, and is easy to work with. it takes spray adhesive really well. we were able to get the entire floor, console, rear hatch and roof done. we then removed the old headliner and applied the new one.

in the couple days she's had it done, she said she's noticed a big difference in both sound and temperature and that her a/c works much easier now. i hope this review helps somebody and i appreciate the advice i'd received.

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I mean, foam (like polyethelene) is also mostly air, just the construct of how they blow that air into little capsules of plastic that seems to be different on construction. So it probably is similar.



Here's the Low-E in action. Definitely get the scrim tape for the edges.
















And after that project was done, I still had enough left over to do some doors for a few other projects later, that MLV would have been a poor choice for (like my WRX.) It certainly isn't as good as MLV for mass-loading, but for specific kinds of road noise and general intrusion, it works great.
Do you think that would also work as a decoupler for MLV?
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Do you think that would also work as a decoupler for MLV?

Good question! I'd say it doesn't have all the properties I'd look for in a traditional decoupling material, but it probably would suffice. It certainly decouples heat!

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