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Hey all. I have another sub thread going but wanted to seperate this one because I will have a long line of questioning I am sure. I tend to ramble so please be patient! Lol.

After my subs, I want to amplify and upgrade the speakers. Without getting into specific brands, I want to learn and have a solid idea of what I am doing. My intial thought was to run a 4 channel amp and just get a set of two way components. Easy peazy. Then I saw the idea of a 3 way. I see some 3 way sets with passive crossovers. If they have passive crossovers do I still need a channel for each of the 6 speakers? Whatever the answer is to this question will open a few more.

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If you are using passive crossovers, you don't need a channel for each speaker. However, many 3-ways have the ability to bi-amp, so you have run more power to the midbass speakers.

If you eventually want to upgrade an add a processor, then a 6-channel would be useful.

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Passive 3 way, 2 channel amp.
Active 2 way, 4 channel amp.
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Passive 3 way, 2 channel amp.

Active 2 way, 4 channel amp.
Beautiful. Thank you for the concise answer!

Given those two options, which would you all recommend? If I do 3 way, I was thinking of mounting in some unused space in the door putting the mids between the woofer and the tweets.

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If you are using passive crossovers, you don't need a channel for each speaker. However, many 3-ways have the ability to bi-amp, so you have run more power to the midbass speakers.



If you eventually want to upgrade an add a processor, then a 6-channel would be useful.
That is my fear with the 3 way. Going active will be expensive. 6 channel amps seem pretty steep. I would love to add a basic DSP since I wont be able to use the time alignment and such on my HU after adding an amp.

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ARC XDi 1200.6 isn't that pricey.

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2 way passive is going to be the easiest. Spend the extra cash on quality components and power.
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This is a well renowned quality setup that will give predictable results no matter what amplification you use.

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If the three speakers are all co-located, then there is little need for individual time alignment. As they spread out, the need increases.

If they were all lined up on the dash, then passive.

If one is by your knee, one on the dash, and one in the visor, then passive are not what you want.

Figuring out where to put everything is more important than what particular stuff one wants to use.
I would start there, before chin scratching in what to do... as therein is where much gets determined.
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If the three speakers are all co-located, then there is little need for individual time alignment. As they spread out, the need increases.



If they were all lined up on the dash, then passive.



If one is by your knee, one on the dash, and one in the visor, then passive are not what you want.



Figuring out where to put everything is more important than what particular stuff one wants to use.

I would start there, before chin scratching in what to do... as therein is where much gets determined.
Thanks Holmz. The current tweeters are in the sails, woofers in the bottom of the door. I would like to keep them in the same position. If I were to add a mid, I would prefer to not cut the door if possible. I have an idea for a "tower" that I can fit in the unused cupholder that will elevate the mid tp about mid door without being in the way. Then I can just drill a small hole in the bottom of the cupholder and plug it if I ever want to sell the car. I see a lot of people with the mids on the dash. Is mid door going to screw something up if I go the 3way route?

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Bad idea unless you're going full active. Keep it simple if this is your first serious install.
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Bad idea unless you're going full active. Keep it simple if this is your first serious install.
Sounds about right. I am a tinkerer so I get ahead of myself. Now, using the savings from not doing 3 way, would I be smart to incorperate a DSP into an active, quality 2 way system in the stock locations?

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Yep.

Download the TuN software. Check it out and get familiar with it. About as easy as active gets.

https://www.jlaudio.com/Info/TuN+DSP...ftware/8096706

I believe the trial version has limited features, but it will give you an idea of what's involved.
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Download the TuN software. Check it out and get familiar with it. About as easy as active gets.



https://www.jlaudio.com/Info/TuN+DSP...ftware/8096706



I believe the trial version has limited features, but it will give you an idea of what's involved.
Got it. Just to make sure I am correct. Active two way is gonna be a better bet for my situation since I am not trying to really go crazy. Now, there is no way I can use the crossovers and time alignment on my HU with some decent speakers?

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Thanks Holmz. The current tweeters are in the sails, woofers in the bottom of the door. I would like to keep them in the same position. If I were to add a mid, I would prefer to not cut the door if possible. I have an idea for a "tower" that I can fit in the unused cupholder that will elevate the mid tp about mid door without being in the way. Then I can just drill a small hole in the bottom of the cupholder and plug it if I ever want to sell the car. I see a lot of people with the mids on the dash. Is mid door going to screw something up if I go the 3way route?
If all those speakers are at different distances from the ears, then active is probably better than passive.

One could put the mid-range in different positions and then work out whether they sound best in a specific location(s). Then from there figure out how to install them.
(It will likely be in the dash, or in a sail panel... if there is already a spot in the dash, then that would be easiest... keeping them widely spaced is better)
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