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Default Tm65 MKIII upgrade from virtus 602 midwoofer

I'm thinking about upgrading my Midwoofer to the stereo integrity or audiofrog gb60. I'm running the morel mt350 tweeters crossed at 2200 with the morel virtus midbass. Hoping someone can give me some good opinions on these guys. I see they have a high fs but looks like people can still cross them at 80 without problems. I'm wondering do these put out decent midbass at high volumes?
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Very simply, yes.

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Serious question, are the tm65s in the same league as the GBs? The price would suggest they are not
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Some good reads here on the MKlls. Iím still breaking my MKllls in but pretty impressed so far
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Serious question, are the tm65s in the same league as the GBs? The price would suggest they are not
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I am guessing the gb60 is still a better speaker than the mkiii's and I own the mkiii's. But, for the price of $330, the TM's hold their own compared to the gb60's at their $800 price. I don't think you will get 2.4x the speaker out of the gb60's.

Even in Justin's Zazzi's report of the mkii vs the gb60 that was one of his conclusions. The mkiii's are better than the mkii's so that gap ideally would have narrowed.
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I am guessing the gb60 is still a better speaker than the mkiii's and I own the mkiii's. But, for the price of $330, the TM's hold their own compared to the gb60's at their $800 price. I don't think you will get 2.4x the speaker out of the gb60's.

Even in Justin's Zazzi's report of the mkii vs the gb60 that was one of his conclusions. The mkiii's are better than the mkii's so that gap ideally would have narrowed.
https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...tm65-mkii.html
the mkiii looks to be better than the mkii for 2-way duty, but what about in a 3-way crossed anywhere under 500hz?

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I'm able to get a really good deal on the gb60s. Still will be more money that the tm65s. So I should probably get the gb60s if I can swing it?
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the mkiii looks to be better than the mkii for 2-way duty, but what about in a 3-way crossed anywhere under 500hz?
I think at that point it just comes down to price and how much do you want to spend.

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I am guessing the gb60 is still a better speaker than the mkiii's and I own the mkiii's. But, for the price of $330, the TM's hold their own compared to the gb60's at their $800 price. I don't think you will get 2.4x the speaker out of the gb60's.

Even in Justin's Zazzi's report of the mkii vs the gb60 that was one of his conclusions. The mkiii's are better than the mkii's so that gap ideally would have narrowed.
https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...tm65-mkii.html
I just read the review he did. Thanks for sharing that.
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I'm able to get a really good deal on the gb60s. Still will be more money that the tm65s. So I should probably get the gb60s if I can swing it?

If it were me, I would have to be able to get some gb60's nearly new for around $400 to be able to justify the extra money if I paid full price for the tm65's. But this decision sounds like it is ultimately going to come down to price ,and that is something only you can decide.

I got in on one of the SI sales on the tm65's and paid less than $400 for my tm65's and m25 tweeters. That left me enough money to buy an amp that better matched my goals and buy a Dayton DSP for my wife's suv.

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I know I'm all question but do you think both these are an upgrade from the morel virtus I'm currently running. I'm sure the gb60s are. I don't have much to compare these woofers to. I had the morel tempo ultra before these.
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The TM65 mk III is a really good midrange and midbass driver but it hasnít been tested against the GB60 since Nick made changes to the TM65 to work better in a 2-way setup. If you were doing a 3-way, Iíd say go with the TM65 but if youíre going with a 2-way and donít want to second guess yourself, Iíd suggest you take the deal on the GB60, since everyone considers it to be one of the best 2-way mids.

But Iíd also be remiss to mention that you should let us know what is wrong with your Morels. Iím not familiar with them but if your install isnít optimal, you can put the best drivers in and it still wonít sound as good as it should.
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The TM65 mk III is a really good midrange and midbass driver but it hasn’t been tested against the GB60 since Nick made changes to the TM65 to work better in a 2-way setup. If you were doing a 3-way, I’d say go with the TM65 but if you’re going with a 2-way and don’t want to second guess yourself, I’d suggest you take the deal on the GB60, since everyone considers it to be one of the best 2-way mids.

But I’d also be remiss to mention that you should let us know what is wrong with your Morels. I’m not familiar with them but if your install isn’t optimal, you can put the best drivers in and it still won’t sound as good as it should.
Thanks. I don't think there's anything wrong with the mids I have. Maybe could use a little more midbass. I have them crossed at 70 on the left and 75 on the right to get them to be acoustically at 80.
They sound pretty good. I guess I just wanna try something new.
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Then get the GB60 so you donít have to wonder. Unfortunately, if you get the itch again, youíll need to switch to a 3-way as the GB60 is one of the best 6.5s. Frankly the TM65 mk III is right there too.
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Then get the GB60 so you don’t have to wonder. Unfortunately, if you get the itch again, you’ll need to switch to a 3-way as the GB60 is one of the best 6.5s. Frankly the TM65 mk III is right there too.
I did a 3 way in my last car. Liked it allot. Don't have the fabrication skills to add a mid in this car yet. I'd have to glass my pillars to get any kind of mid I think. It's the newest car I've owned and making payments. Once I have the car for awhile I'll goto town.
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the mkiii looks to be better than the mkii for 2-way duty, but what about in a 3-way crossed anywhere under 500hz?
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The awesome midbass performance is still there with the new mkIII version as was the previous mkII version but the frequency range between 1,000 and 10,000 is massively improved with the mkIII. The new mkIII version is extremely clean all the way from 45 Hz up to over 9,000 Hz in-car. The previous version had cone breakup at/around 2,000/2,500 Hz. And the new carbon fiber mkIII is a solid 2 to 3 dB more efficient than the previous version so it is louder of the box all the way up through its total output capabilities.
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... the question of the higher Fs so here is the answer:

The previous mkII version had an Fs in the 75 Hz region and they would play down into the high 30 Hz region in-vehicle. They had a lot of bass, let alone midbass. Many people who have had midbass drivers capable of playing well below where a midbass driver normally plays and they use that ability by high-passing them very low (below 50 Hz, even 30 Hz) know that the 6.5's will tear apart your doors.

Since 99.99% of our customers use subwoofers we decided to stiffen up the suspension on the mkIII's to limit its lower bandwidth to the 50 Hz region on up when used in a vehicle. And in stiffening the suspension the new mkIII driver is even more mechanically durable when additional power is applied. Free air resonance changed by 20 Hz from 75 Hz to 95 Hz and the in-vehicle response shows exactly what we were after - the mkIII's play very well from 55/60 Hz on up to 10,000 Hz. Substantial overall bandwidth improvement over the mkII and there's also above a 3+ dB increase in sensitivity over the mkIII with it landing a solid 91 dB at 2.83 V.
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There's another part of this too. Survive-ability. Audiofrog has proven to me (in my own builds) that the speakers are made to last. No weathering inside a car door, not even a change in color of a speaker terminal over the years. I'm starting to realize as I pull my old equipment out of various cars that weather plays a big factor in whether or not those old pieces of equipment are even suitable to go back in another car again. With the Audiofrog parts, the question isn't even one that comes up.



So for me, despite my love for SI and other brands, I'm going to start looking at Audiofrog first just for the durability component.

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I was like the OP and on the fence with both SI and the GBs. I have heard good things about the SI, just never heard them. I have had the chance to hear the GBs. They come as advertised. As mentioned, there is a price difference but I think for me it will be worth putting a few extra dollars on the GB60. It would be nice to see a real world SI version 3 vs GB60 showdown so we can answer the questions that many have.
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There's another part of this too. Survive-ability. Audiofrog has proven to me (in my own builds) that the speakers are made to last. No weathering inside a car door, not even a change in color of a speaker terminal over the years.
Havenít had my mk2 installed long enough to say ďprovenĒ yet (only 1 year). But the TM65ís do have built in rain guard and large durable terminals. So Iím sure they were designed with survive-ability in mind.

I have mk3 pair laying around that Iíll eventually install in place of the mk2. Iíll report back any differences I observe. Iím using them in a 3-way setup.
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There's another part of this too. Survive-ability. Audiofrog has proven to me (in my own builds) that the speakers are made to last. No weathering inside a car door, not even a change in color of a speaker terminal over the years.
Haven’t had my mk2 installed long enough to say “proven” yet (only 1 year). But the TM65’s do have built in rain guard and large durable terminals. So I’m sure they were designed with survive-ability in mind.

I have mk3 pair laying around that I’ll eventually install in place of the mk2. I’ll report back any differences I observe. I’m using them in a 3-way setup.
The rain guard on the tm65 is useless. You still need some type of home made foam rain guard
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Thanks for all the replies everybody. I'm gonna get the frogs. If it wasn't for being able to get a good deal I would have went with the Si's. Love this forum. I'll post some pics after I get em installed.
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The rain guard on the tm65 is useless. You still need some type of home made foam rain guard
I donít know about useless. Probably dependent on each userís door. The point was that they had weather/survive-ability in mind when designing the woofer. If you ďrequireĒ a rain guard youíll most likely ďrequireĒ one despite any woofer you install in your door.

OP where in SD are you? Shoot me a PM and maybe we can link up to hear the mk2ís.
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The rain guard on the tm65 is useless. You still need some type of home made foam rain guard
I don’t know about useless. Probably dependent on each user’s door. The point was that they had weather/survive-ability in mind when designing the woofer. If you “require” a rain guard you’ll most likely “require” one despite any woofer you install in your door.

OP where in SD are you? Shoot me a PM and maybe we can link up to hear the mk2’s.
I'm up in Poway. I might hit you up sometime.
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Cool. Live in Chula Vista but work in Mira Mesa / Miramar area. So not too far.
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