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That's why I wanted to fit horns in my Miata so badly.

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That's why I wanted to fit horns in my Miata so badly.
A Miata would be a great horn car

Sit low , dash is setup good windshield is more straight up n down

Except for that monster console.

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So when you guys talk about the center console in cars. Are you referring to the dash or like where the shifter is and the right console where u rest your arms. Is it better to remove that?

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Default Re: Some horn questions.

We are talking about the part that bolts to the floor. Unfortunately, in most new cars that piece and the dash are one continuous assembly, so getting rid of it isn't a solid options. In my Miata it wouldn't do much good to eliminate it because the transmission tunnel is so tall it almost meets the bottom of the dash.

Ideally you'd have a dash with a completely flat bottom edge that then tapers up to the gauge panel. There would be a big fat gap between the bottom edge of the dash and the floor pan, with no plastic bits between the seats.

Obstructions in the middle cause reflections. The taper from the bottom edge up to the panel help to extend the horn effect and get that nice transition you worked so hard for, and raise the stage up.

That's the idea behind the dash rebuild in my Bronco: (Haven't worked on the bottom edge yet)

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Skinny car no console is the primary reason I bought the fit
Plus places to put speakers.
The big console tend to make the horns more separate sounding , like two sound sources instead of playing together as one big seem less sound field. To try to describe the reflection artifacts caused by the console.



His old ford will be so nice for horns. Has all the right items.

A big wide truck with 8s high up in the door and minihorns is one of my favorite sounds. The stage is massive and the center is super massive and pronounced.

I did horns in a older ram truck that thing had suck awesome imaging

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Default Re: Some horn questions.

I feel like my horn fires more into the middle console(front center of car) than the transmission. You can see where it hits coming out of the horn and there is a ton of steel behind that plastic.

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The quick way to test if your console is causing and early reflection is to use large towels draped over and listen.

The strongest output angle is the centerline of the 2 axis flare section of the horn. The output at the angle of your ruler is much lower.
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Sorry, I really cant see a reason for ding that, the center tunnel is too high...

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Sorry, I really cant see a reason for ding that, the center tunnel is too high...
Welllll too late!

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Do you think that dash mats might actually be a bad thing when using horns as the wave follows the contours of the dash, it hits the dash mat and kinda goes all over, instead of continuing to follow the dash curves?

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Do you think that dash mats might actually be a bad thing when using horns as the wave follows the contours of the dash, it hits the dash mat and kinda goes all over, instead of continuing to follow the dash curves?
The wave may follow thge contour but the strength at that point is very very minimal compared to the direct energy.

So yes, absolutely use a dahs mat.
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The wave may follow thge contour but the strength at that point is very very minimal compared to the direct energy.

So yes, absolutely use a dahs mat.

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Welllll too late!

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I feel like my horn fires more into the middle console(front center of car) than the transmission. You can see where it hits coming out of the horn and there is a ton of steel behind that plastic.

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Your console isnít ďthatĒ big either


Have you seen a Miata or a BMW 5-Series console ....thatís massive and wide as hell.

The Camry should sound very good.

If you have full-size horns look at the flare. Not the angle of the outer wall.


Look at this home horn , see how it flares at the ends

Now look at your full size horn and look for the flare , itís circular and about 1/4th a full circle , the ends where your ruler are are to help it play low and isnít where most the energy is. If you looking at it, from the far edges and into the horn youíll see the 1/4 (ish) circle shaped flare, thatís where almost all of the sound comes from. In actually the horn is quite small where it matters.

It should start to make sense and basically looks like a rounded horn firing forwards the other side of car


Iíll try and find a pic


Edit hereís a pic ...see the flares on both horns.
The exit angle on Ericís comes strong more forward and towards you and more straight forward than completely sideways , but still is ďaimedĒ sideways if you look at it .

About where the 2nd arrow is where a lot of energy comes out. Is that general area. If your lower dash is buried it can cause some reflection, but it more the entire console instead of the far underside only. More where your right leg is.
And again the Camry console can easily be delt with. Itís not big at all.


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Thats a layer of mlv with a ton of holes drilledin it and thin carpet on top.

Not done yet tho.

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Thats a layer of mlv with a ton of holes drilledin it and thin carpet on top.

Not done yet tho.

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Bravo for sayin fuckit and going to town anyway but I donít think itís that necessary, but it definitely canít hurt anything

Look at the lower dash and subdash area under radio

You can seeee how low the horn is in relation and you are in no way firing it into a brick wall.

Your car should be sounding awesome...

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Bravo for sayin fuckit and going to town anyway but I donít think itís that necessary, but it definitely canít hurt anything



Look at the lower dash and subdash area under radio



You can seeee how low the horn is in relation and you are in no way firing it into a brick wall.



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I like how the beginning of this thread was like..hey questions on horns... and now im like...lol

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YOU have to say it sounds good tho....I canít see how it wouldnít

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The biggest part that is bumming me out is that I am too far away to listen to it!

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Idk. I have a ton of foam showing up this week so im not gonna test it till then. Im putting in 3in wedges in the bottom half of the door and 1in wedges as a dash mat(maybe).

Mostly ima just throw foam all over the car and see if it sounds nice with dirac.

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