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I wonder if you realize just at what 'level' you are operating at here... true DIY. Thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations.

Are the reflections THAT bad without the dash mat?
Idk if the dash mat is helping or not I know when i was running a 3 way cone set up. Adding a dash mat just helped that fatigue or listening at high levels and it took the edge off of some frequencies. It wasnt a huge thing, but it did help.

To put it simply. I Just dont know if having absorption in the car is good or not. I wasn't really able to get a straight answer from people and research. So its something im trying to test but not really doing it in a very smart way. Too much too fast.

Il post my measurements of my tiny enclosure and just how badly it messed up the FR.

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No eq, no crossovers, no dirac. Took 1in from the front of the cone. Gross. Im gonna rebuild one with alot more breathing room. See if that helps


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What is the bandwidth of the drivers?

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What is the bandwidth of the drivers?
Im not entirely but prob 60-2k sure.

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have you considered modeling the 8's in an enclosure? It looks like they like very small sealed enclosures best. just a thought.

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OK, so the drivers actually model well in a .25 sealed enclosure, I think if you can manage that, it will help with the two massive peaks.
I also find it interesting the difference between the left and right within the 2k - 3k region.

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OK, so the drivers actually model well in a .25 sealed enclosure, I think if you can manage that, it will help with the two massive peaks.

I also find it interesting the difference between the left and right within the 2k - 3k region.
So i did an out of car measurement where i mounted the driver in the enclosure and sat it on a desk standing vertical outside. So it'd have the same IB set up behind it. Then did a nearfield measurement.

I had to adjust levels in Rew so they were similar but you can Def see its the enclosure causing the issues and not the breathing room behind it.

Red is inside and mounted in car. Nearfield.

Blue is outside of car and set up Ib.

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fascinating, there goes my theory!!

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Brian Mitchell was the guy from ARC Audio. We go way back.

For the midbass, I have found the lower the Q of the system (more IB) the better in everyway. Also absorbtion and difraction behind the driver is as important if not more important than difraction and absorbtion in the listening area.

Peaks and dips are the environment
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I think i may have done those measurements with my headunit eq on. Would explain some things. I need to retest. Leaving this here as a reminder to do so.

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For the midbass, I have found the lower the Q of the system (more IB) the better in everyway. Also absorbtion and difraction behind the driver is as important if not more important than difraction and absorbtion in the listening area.



Peaks and dips are the environment
Behind the driver is very little sheet metal and almost a complete vent to the outside...how does one treat that.

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Behind the driver is very little sheet metal and almost a complete vent to the outside...how does one treat that.

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Non hardening clay and high desnity fiberglass mat, if there is little surface are to reflect back not much needs to be done.
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Brian Mitchell was the guy from ARC Audio. We go way back.

For the midbass, I have found the lower the Q of the system (more IB) the better in everyway. Also absorbtion and difraction behind the driver is as important if not more important than difraction and absorbtion in the listening area.

Peaks and dips are the environment


That is truly something worth thinking about.

Itís much more than a blanket statement. Whatís going on behind the driver? .

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So i rebuilt my right side enclosure and made it wayyy bigger because i thought maybe i was choking the driver but apparently...i was wrong. That was a lot of wasted glass but atleast i got an answer.

Blue is large enclosure. Red is smaller one. I had to guestimate level matching via rew but i think im right. The 315 and 1250k large differences i believe is due to me having my eq on the headunit for the small enclosure so u can ignore that.

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fascinating, there goes my theory!!
Tested.

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So the blue line is the larger enclosure, without any EQ applied?

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So the blue line is the larger enclosure, without any EQ applied?
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So i rebuilt my right side enclosure and made it wayyy bigger because i thought maybe i was choking the driver but apparently...i was wrong. That was a lot of wasted glass but atleast i got an answer.

Blue is large enclosure. Red is smaller one. I had to guestimate level matching via rew but i think im right. The 315 and 1250k large differences i believe is due to me having my eq on the headunit for the small enclosure so u can ignore that.

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Iíve got one of the best tunes Iíve had in awhile now.

And I think I know what I like.

I like an extremely strong center that is up high and far back and pin point clear and intelligible. Above all else that is what I like a super strong vocal that just doesnít quit or give up.

Than 2nd would be a smooth integration where no part of left or right are too strong.

I think Iíve come to the conclusion that 48db slopes are the way to go with horns
And 8s in kicks. I like how 24db and 12db play the horn down into the midrange
But if Iím completely honest with myself and listen to the music and stop thinking about trying to get the horn to go lower or be more dynamic at the end of the day 48db slopes are just better and tune better.

Weather it be a overlapping filter or a standard LR alignment, the fast attenuation makes it so much easier to get the horn and 8 to work perfectly together. They have such different dispersion and so obviously you want to pick a cross point that compliments both. Iíve found 1.4khz on full size And 1.6khz on minis to work good for me. But I know that will be different on different size and shaped dash and cars.

If your running DL try using a LR8 and on the midbass make it complimentary so it also has a LR8 on the HP side of the 8

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Iíve got one of the best tunes Iíve had in awhile now.



And I think I know what I like.



I like an extremely strong center that is up high and far back and pin point clear and intelligible. Above all else that is what I like a super strong vocal that just doesnít quit or give up.



Than 2nd would be a smooth integration where no part of left or right are too strong.



I think Iíve come to the conclusion that 48db slopes are the way to go with horns

And 8s in kicks. I like how 24db and 12db play the horn down into the midrange

But if Iím completely honest with myself and listen to the music and stop thinking about trying to get the horn to go lower or be more dynamic at the end of the day 48db slopes are just better and tune better.



Weather it be a overlapping filter or a standard LR alignment, the fast attenuation makes it so much easier to get the horn and 8 to work perfectly together. They have such different dispersion and so obviously you want to pick a cross point that compliments both. Iíve found 1.4khz on full size And 1.6khz on minis to work good for me. But I know that will be different on different size and shaped dash and cars.



If your running DL try using a LR8 and on the midbass make it complimentary so it also has a LR8 on the HP side of the 8
Will do

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