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What's HD Audio? 24/96? I'm pretty much happy with mp3s unless I'm demoing or something xD

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Is that the article that says you can use the Onkyo HD Player app? I'm going to try it with my 6 Plus and iPad. Mine are higher resolution than that, but I'll downsample some tracks to try.

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Sceptical that the P99 will accept a 24/96 audio stream. Furthermore, the benefits might not be that great using 2ch 24/96. With some content it may actually be theoretically worse than 16/44,1 due to IMD induced out of the audible passband. With thst said, some "HD" recordings are differently mastered and sound better than the CD counterpart. I'd just compress those recordings to mp3 using v1 VBR lame. Can't hear any difference anyway, the mastering is far more important than the digital compression (at least with bitrates above ~250kBit/s, using lossy codecs)

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Sceptical that the P99 will accept a 24/96 audio stream.
Yup, it won't.

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With thst said, some "HD" recordings are differently mastered and sound better than the CD counterpart. I'd just compress those recordings to mp3 using v1 VBR lame. Can't hear any difference anyway, the mastering is far more important than the digital compression (at least with bitrates above ~250kBit/s, using lossy codecs)
This has been my experience as well.

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Sceptical that the P99 will accept a 24/96 audio stream. Furthermore, the benefits might not be that great using 2ch 24/96. With some content it may actually be theoretically worse than 16/44,1 due to IMD induced out of the audible passband. With thst said, some "HD" recordings are differently mastered and sound better than the CD counterpart. I'd just compress those recordings to mp3 using v1 VBR lame. Can't hear any difference anyway, the mastering is far more important than the digital compression (at least with bitrates above ~250kBit/s, using lossy codecs)
All of my high definition tracks sound noticeably better than their CD counterparts. Granted, I don't have a ton of the same tracks in both formats to compare but those that I do I can hear a pretty drastic difference.

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Sceptical that the P99 will accept a 24/96 audio stream. Furthermore, the benefits might not be that great using 2ch 24/96. With some content it may actually be theoretically worse than 16/44,1 due to IMD induced out of the audible passband. With thst said, some "HD" recordings are differently mastered and sound better than the CD counterpart. I'd just compress those recordings to mp3 using v1 VBR lame. Can't hear any difference anyway, the mastering is far more important than the digital compression (at least with bitrates above ~250kBit/s, using lossy codecs)
Tried with multiple combination. Max is 16 bit 48kHz. That's it. Nothing more

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Is there a way with the P99 that I can set my crossover points, t/a and then just use the mic to do the auto eq without changing my crossover points or t/a?

If so how?
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Can't hear any difference anyway, the mastering is far more important than the digital compression (at least with bitrates above ~250kBit/s, using lossy codecs)
I've tried burning @ 320 and then comparing against the original CD. The difference is evident 9/10 times. With some material eg U2 or Coldplay (music not known for recording quality) the difference is less but still evident. With other material like Cassandra Wilson, Diana Krall, Floyd, Fleetwood Mac, Donald Fagen etc (music that is well recorded), the difference is night and day. Both in the car and on the 2ch at home.

The top end harmonics that get filtered in the compression, changes the timbre of instruments and vocals. The compressed material sounds tinny and thin. It's not full bodied like the original. YMMV

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Then you have better hearing than me. I can't hear anything beyond 16k.

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And I don't listen to such material either. Mostly metal and subgenres of electronic music^^

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Then you have better hearing than me. I can't hear anything beyond 16k.
It's definitely not that. Do you hear the difference on a 2ch at home? I''m sure even metal and electronic will have well recorded material

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No. But I can hear very small amounts og non-linear distortion in subs so I guess I'm weird then :P

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It's definitely not that. Do you hear the difference on a 2ch at home? I''m sure even metal and electronic will have well recorded material
There's some well recorded metal out there, but it is rare

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I can't hear anything beyond 16k.
Stop listening to metal and electronic at un-Godly volumes. Change the pattern and the 16K+ will come back after a while......I'm not kidding. The body heals itself much faster at your age than mine.

It's not about the harmonics in the 10+ range but the effect of those harmonics on the fundamentals in the mid range. It's as if the sound is hollow.

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Stop listening to metal and electronic at un-Godly volumes. Change the pattern and the 16K+ will come back after a while......I'm not kidding. The body heals itself much faster at your age than mine.

It's not about the harmonics in the 10+ range but the effect of those harmonics on the fundamentals in the mid range. It's as if the sound is hollow.
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Got three different tinnitus sounds, I hear them when it's quiet. It's from work, not from concerts or from listening to too high volume. Nowadays I'm careful about listening at too high SPL. Having said that, I have much experience with critical listening. I can hear very subtle deviations in other areas but I can't simply hear any difference between mp3 320k/lossless in headphones, my home audio system or in the car. I know Andy Wehmeyer agree with me xD

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I can hear very subtle deviations in other areas but I can't simply hear any difference between mp3 320k/lossless in headphones, my home audio system or in the car. I know Andy Wehmeyer agree with me xD
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.......agree to disagree
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It's strange cause it's usually the HF material that gets distorted in lower bitrates.

Do a A/B/X digital test using the plugin in foobar2000. I can send you a few samples of music I listen to. I use dBpoweramp v15 with the newest lame version to encode with.

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Yes regarding crossover, set it to "manual" in the auto calibration process.

You can modify TA after but not before auto calibration.
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Tried with multiple combination. Max is 16 bit 48kHz. That's it. Nothing more

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Correct... Wouldn't the iPhone do all the processing and transport it via USB just like if you were playing back regular iTunes?

I think the processing only applies to file formats that are direct fed.
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It is very well documented that the P99RS acts as DAC for iOS devices, same as for USB storage devices. What "processing" are you guys referring to?
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IPod dac is bypassed,when connected to p99.

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USB is digital... the iPod's DAC is always bypassed.

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