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Hey Rapture,

Well this is something to think of - a few points actually.

The fact that they CAN play down to 150hz does not mean they do that well and as well they need an enclosure of about 0.3cf in order to do so.

Most people are saying that they excell as a midrange starting at 500hz until 4Khz or so.

The diamater of this element is very small and in most cases a 6.5 inch would perform much better up to 800hz than the ES02.

Take as well in mind more things such as:

1. up to 800hz directivity is not an issue and you can easily make your 6.5 midbass sound as if they are playing up on the dash height instead of the floor level.

They will "connect" or interact seamlessley with the CDT ES02

2. Most 6.5 inch drivers would steal not be beaming up to 2khz (thanks Andy).

So why put so much stress on the CDTs form the first place if the Imagine would do it better?

I noticed in my case that they do not sound well below 900hz but that is also much to do with the tiny enclosure they are located in, I believe that in a more roomy space they could as well sound well at 500-600 hz but really up to 700-800hz I really do not see a reason why not to let it come from the midbasses in the doors.

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I totally understand those points. I did try mine crossed higher, all the way from 400 to 1000, and I really do prefer them at 400, the vocals are more "present". Depending on power input and listening levels I can see the need to go higher. I certainly don't think 150hz out of a 2" driver is feasible. Mine also have a fair amount of space, really IB since the 2" pvc caps would not fit in the location I have them in without metal cutting (not for me in the dash haha). I DO NOT like distortion, and can easily tell when they are over driven, plus I observed them in action and the excursion is proper and not hurting.

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Hey Rapture,

Well this is something to think of - a few points actually.

The fact that they CAN play down to 150hz does not mean they do that well and as well they need an enclosure of about 0.3cf in order to do so.

Most people are saying that they excell as a midrange starting at 500hz until 4Khz or so.

The diamater of this element is very small and in most cases a 6.5 inch would perform much better up to 800hz than the ES02.

Take as well in mind more things such as:

1. up to 800hz directivity is not an issue and you can easily make your 6.5 midbass sound as if they are playing up on the dash height instead of the floor level.

They will "connect" or interact seamlessley with the CDT ES02

2. Most 6.5 inch drivers would steal not be beaming up to 2khz (thanks Andy).

So why put so much stress on the CDTs form the first place if the Imagine would do it better?

I noticed in my case that they do not sound well below 900hz but that is also much to do with the tiny enclosure they are located in, I believe that in a more roomy space they could as well sound well at 500-600 hz but really up to 700-800hz I really do not see a reason why not to let it come from the midbasses in the doors.

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I want to try and get my ES02s all the way down to 500hz sometime but in the current enclosures they are in - they do not have enough volume of air space to go any lower than 900hz

After several tests I got to a final Xover point btween them to the L6SE's in the doors to be as follows:

L6SE is cut from 90hz till 1200hz at 6db slope
ES02 is cut from 1200hz till 20Khz at 12db slope

So the CDTs are still playing at some noticeable level at 600hz and the sound has a good volume (not is in meaning of power but in the way it fills the sound stage) to it - a lot of presence

The way I tune the speakers is first I find the best electrical polarity they sound at and then I fine tune using TC measurements - the end result is a solid sound stage which has a fixed height above the dashboard level.

The depth is good but the width needs some improving and I plan on adding HAT L1 (the 8ohm version) in the doors mirror covers.

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eddieg - I moved my xover to 600hz today...and it solved ALOT of issues. And to be frank, I cannot tell a difference in stage height, but I know the vocals cleaned up tremendously. I was driving them too hard, and I really like the volume level I listen to so turning them down to stay at 400 is not an option.

My settings are at:

sub 24db slope, @85hz
midbass 24db slope, bandpass from 85-600
extended mid 24db slope, 600 and up

All are on Linkwitz alignments.

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eddieg - I moved my xover to 600hz today...and it solved ALOT of issues. And to be frank, I cannot tell a difference in stage height, but I know the vocals cleaned up tremendously. I was driving them too hard, and I really like the volume level I listen to so turning them down to stay at 400 is not an option.

My settings are at:

sub 24db slope, @85hz
midbass 24db slope, bandpass from 85-600
extended mid 24db slope, 600 and up

All are on Linkwitz alignments.
Very cool to read that through some feedback between you all, you have been able to make some improvements.

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I would recommend bringing it up higher still into what I could call "safe zone". I have said before 800hz should pretty much be it's limits.

I really doubt you would hear much of a difference in stage height and such.
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eddieg - I moved my xover to 600hz today...and it solved ALOT of issues. .
What issues did it fix?
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What issues did it fix?
I was having a perceived issue of harsh S, F, and T sounds...which I tracked to the cd I was listening to because it wasn't as bad on known good quality recordings.

But also, my focus was a little poor and I was getting some "pull" on certain vocal sounds to one side or the other, or the focus would get fuzzy. Basically I was driving them too hard and the distortion was pinpointing the driver.

After moving the xover up, everything cleared/tightened up. Major improvement.

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eddieg - I moved my xover to 600hz today...and it solved ALOT of issues. And to be frank, I cannot tell a difference in stage height, but I know the vocals cleaned up tremendously. I was driving them too hard, and I really like the volume level I listen to so turning them down to stay at 400 is not an option.

My settings are at:

sub 24db slope, @85hz
midbass 24db slope, bandpass from 85-600
extended mid 24db slope, 600 and up

All are on Linkwitz alignments.

Try the following things:

ES02's at 1200hz either slope 6 or 12 (try slope 6 first) and the midbass at 600 or 900 or 1200hz at slope 6

Let me know which one out of these setups sounded best for you and how much were you able to cranck up the volume.

Thanks,

Eddie

By the way "rapture" I've submitted a reply on your thread - let me know the results when you can

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Is it only me who thinks these speakers are identical to Tang Band W2-852SH?


That is, without a doubt, a TangBand W2.

So you're paying $40 for the drivers, $30 for the box, $90 for the dealer's markup, and $20 for the flanges


In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. (Orwell)
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The CDT driver's shown are HD-2, not ES-02. The main difference between the two drivers is the cast plastic frame and bezel as opposed to an aluminum bezel, available in either a black anodized finish or bare polished finish.

Consider a comparison of parameters.
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hey Eddie !

do you still have the ES2 ? i'm looking for a data : the mounting diameter WITHOUT the stock ring.
I will make a steel ring on which the ES2 will fit directly. It will let more space behing the cone
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Hey Werner,

Yeah I still keep'em - I will have to check it when I can and get back to you, might be at your sline thread.

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I used several cdt drivers. People here bash them. No clue why. They aren't exactly hifi but the price point they are worth every penny. I paid 400 for my es6s and drt 26s
I'm a big Dynaudio fan and for the price the cdts impressed me. I'd bet in the proper install they are comparable with sets much more expensive.

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Yes they are, in fact many many cheap speakers when turned right, install correctly - provide jaw dropping results.

As for the ES-02 the mounting hole diameter is 52-53mm or so (measured with a ruler - did not have a caliper on hand) I had kept at my work desk the ES-02 outer ring

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Wow, memories and thread digging.

Funny thing is I am using these drivers AGAIN in my 2015 F150.

To be honest, in my last install which was used for 4 years with no hardware changes, the CDT ES-02 ended up crossed at 1200hz on a LR xover and these things performed like a champ. The 6.5" midbass I was running played well up to that range with no beaming issues.

Anything under 1000 is too low for any real volume in my opinion.

They are going to get a workout, they will be mated to an bandpassed Alpine 6x9 this go around. Probably going to end up around 1200 again.

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Funny thing is I am using these drivers AGAIN in my 2015 F150.

To be honest, in my last install which was used for 4 years with no hardware changes, the CDT ES-02 ended up crossed at 1200hz on a LR xover and these things performed like a champ. The 6.5" midbass I was running played well up to that range with no beaming issues.

Anything under 1000 is too low for any real volume in my opinion.

They are going to get a workout, they will be mated to an bandpassed Alpine 6x9 this go around. Probably going to end up around 1200 again.
Glad i found this thread. Ill be using mine in a 3 way in the dash firing up from about 1200-3500ish at a 24 db slope.
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So after modeling, in it's optimal sealed enclosure at around 250hz it is 10db down from it's comfort range of 800hz and above. It can handle all of 20watts before reaching xmax.


800hz seems like a sweet spot for this guy. Can take lots of power from there onwards without breaking xmax.
Spot on, and confirmed by my usage of this driver for several years now. 800 is about as low as I would dare play them, for MY particular usage. 1000 is where I have them now, and quite honestly, I like them very much.

Not saying I won't try that Dayton Audio 2" with twice the excursion...that seems like it might play very nicely down into the 500-600 range. https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...4-ohm--295-582

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So after modeling, in it's optimal sealed enclosure at around 250hz it is 10db down from it's comfort range of 800hz and above. It can handle all of 20watts before reaching xmax.


800hz seems like a sweet spot for this guy. Can take lots of power from there onwards without breaking xmax.
Spot on, and confirmed by my usage of this driver for several years now. 800 is about as low as I would dare play them, for MY particular usage. 1000 is where I have them now, and quite honestly, I like them very much.

Not saying I won't try that Dayton Audio 2" with twice the excursion...that seems like it might play very nicely down into the 500-600 range. https://redirect.viglink.com/?format...4-ohm--295-582
Im going to try mine again. What would you cross them at in an IB setting and what slope?
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