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My issue with crossovers in doors is that I have seen about 4 pr of crossovers in doors over the span of my career that had coils, etc coming off the board. I don't think they are designed to be on a door that is constantly experience the shock that a door does.

I don't think it is a 50/50. I think if you asked skilled installers VERY few would say they belong in the door. To me, why take the risk? Kind of like running a wire through bare metal without a grommet. Sure, it might work for a while, but is it the right solution?

(I didn't take any offense, just offering my insight... Others could feel differently..)
not to mention water damage. you cant image the amount of crossovers we replace due to water damage from being in the door.

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Its solid and sound insight. I have only delt with 1 set to fail but that's because the installer tightened the screws down so tight it cracked the board.
It seems though stuff may have been more rubust during the 90's. LOL

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I'm not in the habit of installing $1000 retail speakers, so obviously this post is irrelevant.


but the higher quality in the build of the crossover, the more mass in the coils and capacitors, and the greater likelihood for shock-induced damage to occur.

this may be why I've never had a problem with my crossovers in doors.

they are usually made with 20 gauge conductors and 50V or 100V poly caps, if that.

not the behemoths that the upper crusties like to use.


so people that say "never had a problem" may miss this slightly important observation.
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I'm not in the habit of installing $1000 retail speakers, so obviously this post is irrelevant.


but the higher quality in the build of the crossover, the more mass in the coils and capacitors, and the greater likelihood for shock-induced damage to occur.

this may be why I've never had a problem with my crossovers in doors.

they are usually made with 20 gauge conductors and 50V or 100V poly caps, if that.

not the behemoths that the upper crusties like to use.


so people that say "never had a problem" may miss this slightly important observation.
Excellent point. Before these the largest crossover I ever used was a Boston SPZ one. I only had them for a year or so before selling the car so I cant say if they lasted any longer than that. I can see what the greater possibility of damage is with larger crossovers now that you pointed it out.

I don't think I would try to shove a Focal Utopia or Hertz Mille in a door just due to sheer size. LOL

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Excellent point. Before these the largest crossover I ever used was a Boston SPZ one. I only had them for a year or so before selling the car so I cant say if they lasted any longer than that. I can see what the greater possibility of damage is with larger crossovers now that you pointed it out.

I don't think I would try to shove a Focal Utopia or Hertz Mille in a door just due to sheer size. LOL
another good point.

the best crossovers aren't really able to fit behind a door panel. Or at least, shouldn't be squeezed through the speaker or access holes to mount inside the door, and anyone mounting a crossover actually inside the door is asking for trouble, especially in the area of window gasket leakage mounted positions.

now, if it's just the increased humidity and decreased climate control of the inner door space, say in a door without a moving window at all, that's different too.

then it's all about shock and alleviating failure modes on that front, but general corrosion concerns aside, most of the crossovers made for car use will accept a greater variety of climate conditions than the average passive for a home speaker.

when a car audio manufacturer makes their crossovers with the same price points as the home audio variety, there is less securing of components to the board, there is less structure involved.

a well-made car audio crossover should be built twice as strong as the home audio equivalent if not more, and even if less complex they should survive their install. Which is not always the case.
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I am not quite sure what your post says?

There are some new, very promising drivers coming out soon from Illusion. I don't see any arc being burnt out quite yet...

Here is one thing I like about Illusion. I have talked numerous times with the guy who designs them. The guy is not some dude at a build house who throws parts together to make a speaker. He is a home audio engineer. He is in California. He knows what makes stuff sound good. He knows WAY more about things like that than I do. He can stand there with a C6 set and tell you stuff that went into its design that would give you some insight into the depths of thought that went into those drivers.

There are a number of cars on the west coast that compete with Illusion audio products and do very well.

And, to put all of this in perspective somewhat, I will exit with this picture..

I should probably also go over my somewhat unique *edit* or not reeeeally... mental process.

I see a post that is over negative, no fault of it's own, it's just meandered that way and I feel like I should tilt the balance back.


sometimes, you have to combat cynicism with overt cynicism, or heap cynicism on top of cynicism, to bring the numbers back, to get the meniscus above and below the line.

that's what my post attempted to do, in it's crude, bumbling way.

I don't believe a rash of Illusion bashing is going to result from my little "problem" of pare, or parity.

I do this all the time, but sometimes it's less subtle, for instance I was banned for doing the exact same thing, when dealing with racism-charged content.

and I don't always expect to be understood, I just think a little push to the middle is warranted...


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I have been getting some messages about what happened with the Illusions and really, not much.

I waited for final responses from Orca and after getting them I sold the tweeters and put the mids to other uses. Then someone from Orca contacted me to say they could do something about replacing the mids but I guess they changed their minds as they have yet to return a PM. No loss, as I said I still use both of them.

I have a vent above my desk that is always blowing my invoices and such around and the speaker has a great weight to hold them down.




The other is being used for my bad habits.

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You should buy a C10, looks like you are about to fill that C6 up pretty soon! :-)

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I was thinking C12XL. Bet it can hold a cartons worth. LOL

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I don't like to do it but I've never had an issue putting a crossover in a door but I've never put in anything more complicated than a crossover like one that'd come from a JBL MS-62C or something similar. Solidly mounted with some double stick foam around it in two spots works. I put the crossover in the area between the door car and first layer of metal and try to get as close to the hinged side (front of car) vs. the back where the swing impact would be more pronounced.

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I'm late to the party but how old were these drivers? And were they purchased from an authorized dealer? They look pretty beat up


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All in the op I believe. I bought them with a bit of usage from well known members that sell things on here all the time. They were purchased and installed at an authorized dealer that also uninstalled them. I was the next person to send a signal to them.

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I just can't believe people are selling speakers full of used cigarettes now! Craziness!!!

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A bit of usage? Look at the screw indent on that one driver. Holy moly . Sorry u had a bad experience with them but being the third owner and the one driver looking like that it would be hard for me to warranty them if I were the mfgr.


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A bit of usage? Look at the screw indent on that one driver. Holy moly . Sorry u had a bad experience with them but being the third owner and the one driver looking like that it would be hard for me to warranty them if I were the mfgr.
Oh I don't blame Orca. They could if they wanted to but I don't blame them for not replacing them. And yes, very very little use. The person they came from is known ONLY to sell perfect stuff.

As for the way they failed, it is identical to how several other members on here C6 sets have failed. Like EXACTLY the same. A couple have had the drivers replaced several times, a couple have had them replaced once and no longer have issue and a couple have give up on them entirely.

Orca is a great company to deal with and I will buy Focal speakers again. Jacob is very helpful but his hands are tied. I understand.
Illusion I will never buy again though due to my issues and what others have had happen.
That's not to say they are a bad company but they were not good to me.

I have been told by 12 people now that they returned or canceled their orders due to this review. I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand it may have saved them some headache but on the other they may have never had an issue with theirs and are missing out on one superb tweeter.

I am not telling anyone not to buy Illusions. I am only stating my experience with them. I know where they came from and who installed and know that none of the issues were install/previous owner related. Defective drivers. Plain and simple. It is what it is.

All I know is I have much cheaper drivers in there now that perform 10x better and are significantly louder and clearer.

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I hear ya man. No worries.


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I don't mind taking those cigarette infested woofers from you

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They don't work as noise makers and I am using them. Makes for an interesting conversation piece at my shop.

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Oh I don't blame Orca. They could if they wanted to but I don't blame them for not replacing them. And yes, very very little use. The person they came from is known ONLY to sell perfect stuff.

As for the way they failed, it is identical to how several other members on here C6 sets have failed. Like EXACTLY the same. A couple have had the drivers replaced several times, a couple have had them replaced once and no longer have issue and a couple have give up on them entirely.

Orca is a great company to deal with and I will buy Focal speakers again. Jacob is very helpful but his hands are tied. I understand.
Illusion I will never buy again though due to my issues and what others have had happen.
That's not to say they are a bad company but they were not good to me.

I have been told by 12 people now that they returned or canceled their orders due to this review. I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand it may have saved them some headache but on the other they may have never had an issue with theirs and are missing out on one superb tweeter.

I am not telling anyone not to buy Illusions. I am only stating my experience with them. I know where they came from and who installed and know that none of the issues were install/previous owner related. Defective drivers. Plain and simple. It is what it is.

All I know is I have much cheaper drivers in there now that perform 10x better and are significantly louder and clearer.
My Carbon's pooped the bed again. I think this is like the 5th or 6th time now. I've tried everything up to and including changing my radio to get a better signal. I'm probably done with these speakers. They sound good when working but they just don't last. I have to consult with my installer to find a good set of replacements.

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My Carbon's pooped the bed again. I think this is like the 5th or 6th time now. I've tried everything up to and including changing my radio to get a better signal. I'm probably done with these speakers. They sound good when working but they just don't last. I have to consult with my installer to find a good set of replacements.
Sorry to hear that man. I have quite a few messages from people that have had the same issues over the last month or so. Kinda ticks me off now the more I think about it as it is pretty obvious there are issues with a good portion of these speakers yet my amps were blamed by Orca.

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I'm having the exact same issue with a set of drivers that I purchased from a local dealer. I've bench tested them but have found that the speaker lead to the coil is damaged. Dealer said they would swap but I cannot risk going through multiple drivers to get one which will work for short durations and having to swap out constantly. One driver appears to be fine but the other is toast. tweeters however work perfectly.

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Whats a shame about all this is pior to illusion being revamped, they sold Luccent 6.5s fo $40 a pair on ebay (old stock I guess) and I installed a set in my close friends car and 7 years later, not an issue. Still sound great. I never installed the carbon woofer because they looked too small.

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Maybe their factory is screwing them over with incorrect materials or build quality... happens. Or maybe a couple duds made their way to the boards here. I sure have whined about my ZED amps but I should hope my experience is not typical.

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So its been a couple months now that Orca has had them. Not getting calls or emails returned. Been trying for a couple weeks now. If they aint gonna fix or replace them I sure wish they would send them back.

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