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Yep I'm there to, my truck has a 13tw5 it's not a loud sub at all.

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Oh, and given the MAG is supposedly DVC 2 ohm, I'd be forced to either buy a new amp or run it at 4 ohms as I don't have anything that does 1K at 1 ohm.

Wait, yeah I do. Well, rated to do anyways. Memphis 16-MCD1000.

But I could potentially wire it for 4 ohms and feed it up to 700RMS or as little as 300RMS depending on the amp I opt to use from my collection.
Haha, there's no "supposedly". It IS a dual 2 Ohm subwoofer.

T/S parameters are always taken with the coils in series (or are taken in series unless the manufacturer is trying to inflate certain numbers and measure them in parallel).

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Yeah, and I bet you get more of a laugh when you realize I requested a DVC 4 ohm when ordering. LOL
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Oh boy forgot to address that part of my review lol.

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So, given T/S parameters are with coils wired in series, what does one do when looking to run the sub with coils wired in parallel for a 1 ohm load? I mean parameters change some with the coils wired differently, right? So an enclosure with the sub wired for 4 ohms may not perform the same with the sub wired at 1 ohm, right? Or wrong?
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It should be pretty negligible when wiring different loads. Your amp could possibly lyrics play I bigger difference, depending on the amp.

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Wise decision. I learned from a few of friends who gave lower and mi-grade subs hell from the start, which lasted anywhere from minutes to days before giving out. That and I'm not really into LOUD overbearing bass that completely dominates my music, which helps. LOL
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So, given T/S parameters are with coils wired in series, what does one do when looking to run the sub with coils wired in parallel for a 1 ohm load? I mean parameters change some with the coils wired differently, right? So an enclosure with the sub wired for 4 ohms may not perform the same with the sub wired at 1 ohm, right? Or wrong?
The parameters will change, yes. But they change in ways that offset each other but the enclosure size, type, etc, remains the same. The short of it: Don't worry about it.

Speaking in non-precise units here: going from series of 4 Ohms to parallel of 1 Ohm will reduce Re and Le and lower BL. BUT you have to look at Re when you look at BL. You also have to look at Le in relation to Re. All three specifications change with the other and in the end the driver behaves the same regardless of how you wire it. Your amplifiers damping factor will change with substantially higher or lower impedance but the driver itself will behave the same if your amplifier specs stayed the same. But the latter is nit-picking.

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Nick,

Are these completely sold out or just on hold like the TM65?
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The parameters will change, yes. But they change in ways that offset each other but the enclosure size, type, etc, remains the same. The short of it: Don't worry about it.

Speaking in non-precise units here: going from series of 4 Ohms to parallel of 1 Ohm will reduce Re and Le and lower BL. BUT you have to look at Re when you look at BL. You also have to look at Le in relation to Re. All three specifications change with the other and in the end the driver behaves the same regardless of how you wire it. Your amplifiers damping factor will change with substantially higher or lower impedance but the driver itself will behave the same if your amplifier specs stayed the same. But the latter is nit-picking.
Good to know it's marginal and nothing to worry about. I'd always wondered about such and with subs that are DVC 4 ohm or the DVC 6 ohm MKII I picked up, it'd be quite difficult to feed them rated power at 8 ohms or 12 ohms with their coils wired in series if the difference was vast between series and parallel wiring.
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and how much does it costs?
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When it was available this last round it was $140.

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May well be available again at the same discounted price in a matter of weeks. Sure hoping the Mids, when available, are at the same discounted price.
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I wanted to bring this back up, I have one of these subs and I'm building a very intricate but fiberglass-free box design to maximize a hatchback trunk (Speed3) and I'm having a difficult time modeling (Sketchup and WinISD Pro a.) a solution that will handle the port sizing properly. Simply put, this thing wants tons of port Like 40+ inches of 4" port X 2. Realistically, what velocity would you consider below threshold (for a hatchback aka non-sealed trunk to the cabin) for audible chuffing? I am heavily considering flared ports of various types to go along with that.

Alternately I came across this: Creative Sound - Product Details and while it isn't pretty at all, it models BEAUTIFULLY in WinISD, with tons of weight near 900g to get the fs down. I mean just on the model at 700W or so, the thing is working perfectly and it goes very deep on the response plot, with no sign of bottoming either the sub or the PR. The 15" one clearly would have to be the one to use, or a pair of the 12" models but there's no space.

Secondary question, say the sub is firing toward the rear of the trunk in this hatch. Could I possibly fire the PR forward toward the seat to hide it? Would this in any way cause surprise cancellation or other issues? My gut instinct says no but I thought I'd defer to others for confirmation.

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IIRC 26m/s is the port velocity you shoot for when building inaudible ports. The thing is when you model does the program use information such as a constant sign wave at the tuning you are shooting for? I know with a 2.5" flared port it will for sure be audible at xmax. I will have bass box pro and model it this week to see what I come up with. If all goes well ill take my small port out and throw a 4" in to see what happens.
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IIRC 26m/s is the port velocity you shoot for when building inaudible ports. The thing is when you model does the program use information such as a constant sign wave at the tuning you are shooting for? I know with a 2.5" flared port it will for sure be audible at xmax. I will have bass box pro and model it this week to see what I come up with. If all goes well ill take my small port out and throw a 4" in to see what happens.
I've always heard 17 m/s target so 26 m/s is a bit of a shock, as it is .1 mach or 58 mph. That seems quite aggressive.

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I wanted to bring this back up, I have one of these subs and I'm building a very intricate but fiberglass-free box design to maximize a hatchback trunk (Speed3) and I'm having a difficult time modeling (Sketchup and WinISD Pro a.) a solution that will handle the port sizing properly. Simply put, this thing wants tons of port Like 40+ inches of 4" port X 2. Realistically, what velocity would you consider below threshold (for a hatchback aka non-sealed trunk to the cabin) for audible chuffing? I am heavily considering flared ports of various types to go along with that.

Alternately I came across this: Creative Sound - Product Details and while it isn't pretty at all, it models BEAUTIFULLY in WinISD, with tons of weight near 900g to get the fs down. I mean just on the model at 700W or so, the thing is working perfectly and it goes very deep on the response plot, with no sign of bottoming either the sub or the PR. The 15" one clearly would have to be the one to use, or a pair of the 12" models but there's no space.

Secondary question, say the sub is firing toward the rear of the trunk in this hatch. Could I possibly fire the PR forward toward the seat to hide it? Would this in any way cause surprise cancellation or other issues? My gut instinct says no but I thought I'd defer to others for confirmation.
At full linear Xmax you will want to stick with a 6" flared round port to avoid chuffing. Or you can use what you "have heard" and/or modeled over the manufacturers recommendations and do what you want regardless.

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According to what John from AE told me regarding port velocity, stay at or under 20m/s under full power. It has worked very well. By 30 m/s you have severe port compression. Distortion is off the charts and your port stops acting like a port.

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According to what John from AE told me regarding port velocity, stay at or under 20m/s under full power. It has worked very well. By 30 m/s you have severe port compression. Distortion is off the charts and your port stops acting like a port.

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I just went to the website since this review peaked my interest. $999?! Really. Then I looked at the TM65, $999 each? Wow, must be something real special, glad you got yours at a more realistic price. Sounds like a great driver.
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At full linear Xmax you will want to stick with a 6" flared round port to avoid chuffing. Or you can use what you "have heard" and/or modeled over the manufacturers recommendations and do what you want regardless.
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I have a 6" port sitting in my PE cart for when I stuff two of them in my regular cab pickup .
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actually sourcing 6" pipe that can elbow properly is proving near-impossible. I may have to do the dual 4" to get something that will work.

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Talk to your local plumbing shop. They should be able to source pvc main line that big.

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FYI I ended up not being able to make a ported box (with huge port requirements) work in this design, and instead "settled" on a large low Q sealed box. The high excursion of the sub and sufficient power handling (as well as sufficient power on the sub amp I'm using in this build) nets me a still-impressive output curve in modeling. I'll know how it will sound in a few days as I'm wrapping up the build, but I suspect it will sound fantastic in a false floor design, in a hatchback. The shape of the car will net me tons of gain just like a ported box does, so I'm sure I'll still get an excellent response.

edit: and I did get pricing on big pipe, but the cost is insanely high for use in a car audio port.

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