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Or if your system is already stunning, then it will not make 1800 euros worth of difference, or whatever the price is... it will make no difference
Sorry for misunderstanding... If you are glad for your existing setup and have 100% satisfaction with the carsound quality, why you spend your time on this forum instead of having pleasure by listening your stunning system?

APL technology has changed mind of many enthusiasts despite their pervious experience in the audio World. Carsound is not an exclusion.

Sure, 1800 euros is a lot of money and one has to think about before investing in new components... But let listen first to what APL technology could make before final decission.

APL1012 for sure is not for newbees, but with the help and support from Raimonds, nothing will be impossible even for them.

But again, perhaps it is simply a wrong timing to change the stunning system. Especially if you made it by yourself and now it is time to enjoy it. Fully understanding you in this point. Good luck!
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The APL1 instantly makes my soundstage wider in my car with Helix DSP Pro2, and I am an expert tuner of the Helix.

Before the APL1, my stage boundaries are pillar to pillar.

With the APL1, instantly the stage goes to the inside edges of the side mirrors, outside of the pillars a good 6 inches on each side.

I donít know why or how, but it certainly works.


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Sorry for misunderstanding... If you are glad for your existing setup and have 100% satisfaction with the carsound quality, why you spend your time on this forum instead of having pleasure by listening your stunning system?

APL technology has changed mind of many enthusiasts despite their pervious experience in the audio World. Carsound is not an exclusion.

Sure, 1800 euros is a lot of money and one has to think about before investing in new components... But let listen first to what APL technology could make before final decission.

APL1012 for sure is not for newbees, but with the help and support from Raimonds, nothing will be impossible even for them.

But again, perhaps it is simply a wrong timing to change the stunning system. Especially if you made it by yourself and now it is time to enjoy it. Fully understanding you in this point. Good luck!
If you think that we are "understanding each other in this Point", Then My post must have been poorly worded...

1) I already got an APL - it appears that I must think it was worth having.
2) as the APL is my first DSP, then maybe it is occasionally for noobies? (or... One has to start somewhere, so why not with this DSP?)

With that in mind, perhaps my thoughts directed to Jscoyne2 may be perceived as being in the spirit of a helpful discussion towards his questions? (I can only try to give my perspective of reasoning on the subject, which I may have failed to do in a clear fashion)
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So. Whats the total price on this thing to have a fully running set up? Someone said earlier $1800 euros so thats $2k and then how muxh for tda and whatever else?

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General question; Since I am using a ported subwoofer my port tune is 33Hz, so I have the SSF on the amp set around 27Hz.

When using Workshop, the measurement I assume will reflect the percieved bass slope and try to compensate to match an EQ curve, which usually keeps a flat response to 20Hz, thus defeating the purpose of the ssf? So am I wrong in thinking when making my own custom EQ curves, I should build a high pass about 25Hz into the curve so APL doesnt try to boost below my ssf?


Also, the APL1012 the clipping lights on the output panel - what exactly does this indicate (aside the obvious), and how to fix should it be clipping?
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General question; Since I am using a ported subwoofer my port tune is 33Hz, so I have the SSF on the amp set around 27Hz.

When using Workshop, the measurement I assume will reflect the percieved bass slope and try to compensate to match an EQ curve, which usually keeps a flat response to 20Hz, thus defeating the purpose of the ssf? So am I wrong in thinking when making my own custom EQ curves, I should build a high pass about 25Hz into the curve so APL doesnt try to boost below my ssf?


Also, the APL1012 the clipping lights on the output panel - what exactly does this indicate (aside the obvious), and how to fix should it be clipping?
You should direct the Workshop not to touch (equalize) the curve in your SSF region. It means - set to "flat" that region with some gain. That is avilable by use of "low frequency limit" parameter in Workshop which is setting the gain for LF region and making curve flat.
You should add the post crossover gain in case of clipping at outputs of crossover`s filters (leds on APL1012 front panel). It is available by use of the potenciometer on PCB and can be set from 0 to +18dB. The default setting is about +10dB.

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Please correct me if Iím misunderstanding. But from what I gather, the measuring technique has one painting the mic across the front of the dash while sweeps are run...

Does this mean that the final APL 1012 tune is a viable 2 seat tune? Or is it still 1 seat orientated?
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APL measurement/tune are not seat (place) orientated in general.
But there is option to add some kind of a final tune (after everything is done) for particular position/seat in case if some drivers have an explicit directivity which must be taken into account.

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APL measurement/tune are not seat (place) orientated in general.
As in when your done with the workflow described in the manual, and performed measurements as uniform as possible, the soundstage will sound equivalent whether one is sitting the the driver seat or passenger seat of a car?
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As in when your done with the workflow described in the manual, and performed measurements as uniform as possible, the soundstage will sound equivalent whether one is sitting the the driver seat or passenger seat of a car?
Stage will also depend on distance (time alignment ) values you input relative to seating position.

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General question; Since I am using a ported subwoofer my port tune is 33Hz, so I have the SSF on the amp set around 27Hz.



When using Workshop, the measurement I assume will reflect the percieved bass slope and try to compensate to match an EQ curve, which usually keeps a flat response to 20Hz, thus defeating the purpose of the ssf? So am I wrong in thinking when making my own custom EQ curves, I should build a high pass about 25Hz into the curve so APL doesnt try to boost below my ssf?





Also, the APL1012 the clipping lights on the output panel - what exactly does this indicate (aside the obvious), and how to fix should it be clipping?

If Fb is at 33Hz Iíd remove the highpass. My sub is tuned at 32 and I never used any filters on it. Otherwise you can create the filter in workshop after measuring.

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As in when your done with the workflow described in the manual, and performed measurements as uniform as possible, the soundstage will sound equivalent whether one is sitting the the driver seat or passenger seat of a car?



You have to keep in mind that you are setting time alignment to a particular seat in the dsp. So if you set your time alignment setting up for the drivers seat and you run the measurements and corrections it will NOT sound equivalent between the driver and passenger seats because of your time alignment settings.

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You have to keep in mind that you are setting time alignment to a particular seat in the dsp. So if you set your time alignment setting up for the drivers seat and you run the measurements and corrections it will NOT sound equivalent between the driver and passenger seats because of your time alignment settings.
Thanks that makes more sense.
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What if I tune with an APL with no time alignement? Will I get a decent 2 seats system?

Probably too simple but just asking.
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What if I tune with an APL with no time alignement? Will I get a decent 2 seats system?

Probably too simple but just asking.


No. Not unless you have path lengths within about 8 inches or so.


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You can get great tonality, but don't expect to get accurate imaging.

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this is very nice and informative discasion
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Sorry for the wait. A basic workflow is already included in the pdf file.

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Could not follow the 5th step of the work flow in the manual made by you.

.......5. Add your target curve by use of the unitís input EQ. Use the 5th unit field of C5 software to manage that......

Pls elaborate this (step by step if possible).

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Could not follow the 5th step of the work flow in the manual made by you.

.......5. Add your target curve by use of the unitís input EQ. Use the 5th unit field of C5 software to manage that......

Pls elaborate this (step by step if possible).

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It chooses whatever "mode" you got on the switch to send filters to. If you import a fir file of a fullrange measurement you can use it as "overall EQ". You can import different curves you choose in workshop to use. 0 and 6-15 are available iirc. 1-5 are used by the 10 outputs of the unit. Just import it as you would with any fir filter.

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Anyone doing a video tutorial? Step by step workflow process, Workshop/TDA/C5

I know I can stumble my way to success, but its always helpful to see someone else go at it.
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It chooses whatever "mode" you got on the switch to send filters to. If you import a fir file of a fullrange measurement you can use it as "overall EQ". You can import different curves you choose in workshop to use. 0 and 6-15 are available iirc. 1-5 are used by the 10 outputs of the unit. Just import it as you would with any fir filter.
Do we need to apply target curve (Mp1) in the workshop to the initial/raw measurements for each way/speaker.

And then import the measuments in respective ways of C5.

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And then import the measuments in respective ways of C5.

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No. Target curve is set in C5. Iíll try do a better explaination later

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Dear Friends, yes, please, let's test is iPhone working with HD USB input.
It works with W10, MAC OS version 10.6.4 and above,Linux with UAC2 compliant kernel.
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