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So, I tried a tune like this with simply L/R with the subwoofer mixed in, on this tune I am not using bass management. The results are good, on previous tunes I always found the sub-bass lacking, but this way it is not lacking at all and (to my ears at least) is blending really nicely with the mid-bass and is now right up on the dash. If you have time and a spare preset it's well worth a try of just L/R.

My other favorite tune I am running has the subwoofer separate, but on this particular tune the subwoofer level is a touch too low for my preference. With almost all of my previous tunes I found the subwoofer level lower than I would like. I need to do some more back to back comparisons between the two to determine which I really prefer though.
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I had better luck combining the sub in to channels left and right and running DL in 2 channel mode; not 3 channel. But, YMMV.
I will definitely try it... and would not mind at all if it turned out better, because it is pretty good right now.

This is from my drivers seat... dead center of my head... 1/6th smoothing. All of my DL measurements were right around were my head is... with the first being dead center of head.


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Lately Iíve been doing the rear measurements
About 6Ē apart top to bottom, at top my shoulders with mic pointing out from my ears and at top of my ears and directly touching my head

The outermost forward measurements at my knees and the top ones R in passenger seat and L about 6Ē in front of my 1st measurement point. (Parallels)
And the 1st measurement at my nose.

I likeee so far.

Having the rear measurements pulled a little tighter seems to get whatís going on at my ears more true to the target and what the avg shows compared to my moving mic RTA

So far so good, my target seems to be easier to deal with and I have nice smooth curve that sounds good

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Do you think its bad to use peqs after dirac?

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Also. I 2nd the wisdom curve. I like it

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Do you think its bad to use peqs after dirac?

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No, but in the interest of getting a repeatable process it is best to work on the target and eventually you should have a target that gets you what you want one the first try.


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Would it hold true that if your pre-tune is decent - when you get to an event that is quite different than the area you last ran Dirac - you could simply run Dirac at the event location under a new preset?


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Man, I gotta stop reading these Dirac threads, it's making me regret my recent switch to a Helix.

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I wonder if MECA will address Dirac Live specifically in their rules. Any DSP running it would already bump you to Street, but should this “tool” bump someone higher than Street? Maybe? It appears to be a game changer.

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Would it hold true that if your pre-tune is decent - when you get to an event that is quite different than the area you last ran Dirac - you could simply run Dirac at the event location under a new preset?


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Well, if you subscribe to the school of thought that you do need to change your setup due to different venues and you're insistent upon a pre-tune being necessary then it would make sense to me that you would need to do the whole process over again. Including time.

However, I don't think either is necessary, and certainly not adjusting for time since it's all relative. I think the issue isn't that the system changes but that our hearing is effected (for example, I've seen many cases where the drive/flight to finals has caused issues with people's sinuses which impacts their hearing). But, let's say you subscribe to those schools of thought... at the least, you could probably "get away with" just using the 2nd step of re-running DL to correct for your any atmospheric effects.

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Do you think its bad to use peqs after dirac?

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I do it changes the way it makes the timing on everything

Not so much in the highs as the lows .


You can hear everything in balance and add peq seems to alter the balance

If you want to turn something up or down use the target it will have better coherency between frequency and time , although you can do whatever you want if you think itís better and then go for it but I think it sounds better to just shake or target and get your pre-tune nailed down

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Well, if you subscribe to the school of thought that you do need to change your setup due to different venues and you're insistent upon a pre-tune being necessary then it would make sense to me that you would need to do the whole process over again. Including time.

However, I don't think either is necessary, and certainly not adjusting for time since it's all relative. I think the issue isn't that the system changes but that our hearing is effected (for example, I've seen many cases where the drive/flight to finals has caused issues with people's sinuses). But, let's say you subscribe to those schools of thought... at the least, you could probably "get away with" just using the 2nd step of re-running DL to correct for your any atmospheric effects.



I agree with Erin.

Although I have driven to California from Colorado and had substantially more midbass itís was about 3db , although everything seems to change together
And the balance wasnít diminished in any way. But thatís a 5000ft drop in altitude. The mids and highs sounded the exact same.


It should sound mostly the same everywhere. I donít think itís quite enough to do a entire retune but depends how your system reacts (to farther the above)
If it were me I wouldnít think itís warranted

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Man, I gotta stop reading these Dirac threads, it's making me regret my recent switch to a Helix.
Put a DDRC 22D in front of the digital input of the Helix and you can have a ďMasterĒ Stereo L and R Dirac Live calibration.
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Put a DDRC 22D in front of the digital input of the Helix and you can have a ďMasterĒ Stereo L and R Dirac Live calibration.
I have no clue what that is or means, but Imna check it out! Ty

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I have no clue what that is or means, but Imna check it out! Ty
Its a miniDSP Dirac Live product that performs Stereo Dirac Live Calibration in the digital domain. In your case the Helix DSP would act as the channel XO, channel matrix, and bass management.
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I have two cdspDL units
And I prefer the ddrc in front of my dsps

Itís the same thing but itís works beautifully.

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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

Has anyone experienced a 50% drop in volume once you applied Dirac to a configuration?

Set up a configuration - pre-tune in the plug-in - @ 15/34 on the head unit gave 72 db with correlated PN.

After Dirac with same configuration -with either Dirac Live on or off - gives 57db @ 15/34. It has to be turned up to 34/34 to get 72db.

I just went into the Routing page and bumped the outputs to + 5db which yields 62db @ 15/34 and + 8db yields 65db @ 15/34 and 82db @ 34/34.

It just seems like the volume is throttled at 50%. With the plug in connected - I changed the Master Volume (at top right) to 0db - it was defaulted to -47db after running Dirac.......which at 34/34 it was barely audible.

Is there a tick box that needs to be unticked or vice versa that I'm missing somewhere? I currently don't have the wired remote connected - I'll get the cable hopefully in the next couple days to see if that has any affect.

My pre-set #3 (mirror of config 1 just with slightly different TA for driving position) didn't have Dirac run on it, and it is very loud at 15/34.


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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

Wait, I thought you had a Helix?

Anyway, I am not sure if my volume dropped by 50% but yes I definitely find that Dirac can end up cutting volume. If you look in the other C-DSP thread that Andy (oabeieo) created there is some discussion about it in there. A lot of it boils down to where your chosen curve is in relation to your measurements. I usually end up doing the same as you and bumping the levels to 5dB on the routing tab, not ideal, but it at least gets me volume back to where I am happy.

Also, does this mean there will be 3 x MiniDSP Dirac powered cars at my meet next month? Going to be really cool to listen to everyone's tunes.

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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

I do have the Helix - Iím evaluating the MiniDSP to see if it will work in my set up - thanks for letting me know that this was mentioned in the other thread - Iíll do a search. And to answer your question.....maybe......


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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

Well worth reading through the other thread as well as one on the MiniDSP forum, they both have a good chunk of information from those of us who are trying to figure out the best way to utilize the DL version.

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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

Iíve been reading that one for about a month - and I need to jump on the forum site as well - thanks for that reminder.


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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

I seem to remember reading about more people with output or sub output issues when using more than 2 DIRAC channels. It seems like the software works better with a 2-channel tune (L/R) with the sub output getting 50%L and 50%R.
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Default Re: MiniDSP C-DSP 8x12 with Dirac Live

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So a few questions... I am somewhat familiar with the REW technique to measure the FR and work to get the auto-eq correction files. Normally you would setup your target response curve at or around the average and mostly cut the peaks vs booting (for the most part).

So here with Dirac it looks like the target is much above the "average" in the low FR say 0-100Hz. If this is the case, does Dirac simply boost these fr's, or i hope it simply first boosts the gain on the channels then mostly cuts as needed as one would do using REW?

Or do we need to be more careful and ensure the gain on each channel (i.e. SUB here) is at a good level first before running Dirac on everything?
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