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Guys,

I am putting a system together for my Ferrari 458.

I am using the following equipment for an active system:
- Audison Bit One
- Morel Elate Limited Edition Carbon mids and MT-24 Tweeters
- JL Audio 13TW5

As space is at a real premium in a 458, I am looking for a great high end small form factor amp.

I was leaning towards the JL Audio HD900/5, but some have said it is not too great and the Audison Voce 5.1 was a better option although a bit larger.

Given the components above what amp would you suggest? What is considered the best all in one amp, in a compact package?

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Will you be listening to the system with the engine OFF? Because if you're listening while the engine is on, any minute details that any amp might provide would be inaudible with that beast roaring. I would almost be inclined to pick the amplifier that looks the best for your installation scheme, since I would assume you'll want to show it off? Since size is also a major factor, the smaller amp again gets the nod.

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Will you be listening to the system with the engine OFF? Because if you're listening while the engine is on, any minute details that any amp might provide would be inaudible with that beast roaring. I would almost be inclined to pick the amplifier that looks the best for your installation scheme, since I would assume you'll want to show it off? Since size is also a major factor, the smaller amp again gets the nod.
Some good points and questions.

The music will only be heard with the engine on and the car being driven. I do listen to music loud so unless being pushed hard the engine noise shouldn't be too bad.

Space optimisation is the most important so the system will be stealth and not on display. This is why the form factor of the amp is important as I want as much storage as possible.

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Anyone that says the JL HD amps aren't top-notch should never be consulted again. The 900/5 would be perfect for your setup.

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Anyone that says the JL HD amps aren't top-notch should never be consulted again. The 900/5 would be perfect for your setup.
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Hd900/5
Leviathan iii
Pdx v9

Those are your best options.

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Hd900/5
Leviathan iii
Pdx v9

Those are your best options.
What would be your choice on the short list and which is the smallest?
Are the 3 you listed equal to or comparable to the Audison Voce 5.1?

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How do pheonix gold's class d amps compare to the amps listed above? Been extremely impressed with my elite amps from pheonix gold.... Which is far from small, compact and light
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I think the Alpine is the smallest but runs WAY hot. The Leviathon is pretty damned big. I'd do the 900/5.

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HD900/5 is a good choice, but the Leviathan if you have the space, is the superior amplifier.

100w x 4 @ 4, only 75w x 4 @ 3 and 2 and 500 x 1 @4,3,2 on the HD900/5 coming in at 10.7 x 8.3 x 2 inches

190w x 6 @ 4 ohms, 330w x 6 @ 2 ohms, and bridge power is 660w x 3 @ 4 ohms coming in at 16.1 x 9.7 x 2 inches

Crossovers are superior on the Levi also, and it is cheaper. A whole organization builds the HD's and the Levi's are built by hand each one. Don't think it is close for the money, it strictly comes down to space. I have nothing against JL and it is a terrific amp. The fact it is also 6 channels allows you to run a 3 way front end actively, or a 2 way system bridged with a sub and a tremendous amount of power; and 16" really isn't that big. It will fit under a standard size seat as my amp in my signature is around the same size and fits comfortably.

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Don't forget to mention the superior build quality of the HDs. Hand-built CAN be a good thing. In this case...not so much.

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Ever consider HSS Fidelity:
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The size and shape of these amps are too big, but thanks for the idea.
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how much money do you have?

i assume with a Ferrari, equipment cost is not much of your concern. so why morel?

if i were you i guess i would be buying speakers fit for a supercar, not some average components.

just my 2 cents.

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how much money do you have?

i assume with a Ferrari, equipment cost is not much of your concern. so why morel?

if i were you i guess i would be buying speakers fit for a supercar, not some average components.

just my 2 cents.
Due to the engine noise, going with more expensive components would be a waste. Also many other more expensive components have very large tweeters that would require serious modification to the car, which I want to avoid. The Morel tweeter is very small and this is why I didn't go with an Esotar system.

What did you have in mind?
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in mind?

you are going with audison, so why not the audison thesis speakers? they are stunning to look at, not to mention they sound phoenominal in an aquaintances BMW X3.





it seems to me like you should be able to put the 6.5" and the 3" speakers in the doors possibly. i dont know what it looks like back there though. if you lived in california, i would suggest taking your car to Bing.

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Hertz HDP5
Phoenix gold Ti21600.5


but I think the HD900/5 is a better option.
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Hertz HDP5
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but I think the HD900/5 is a better option.
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What Amp-rating is your Alternator? The 360 Modena I'm working on is just 80-amps so there's not a huge amount left after the 20-40 amps the car will use with all accessories and lights on. Should be no problem with ~1500w or less though.

Will the amplifier(s) be mounted in the boot or the cockpit?

I like the staggered-output of the Voce 5.1k and it's Hybrid A-B/Class D design. But for size, SQ, and electrical system efficiency I would not hesitate to use the JL HD. However, if there is room to stack two of the JL HD's vertically, I would go with a HD600/4 + HD750/1 depending on your alt. IME Morel's like a lot of power.

Just be sure that the HD750/1 you get is a recent production model...there was a RECALL on these amps for "Potential Risk of FIRE". I would not want anything to be at risk with your vehicle.

Built-in Crossover capabilities are not a concern since you are using the BitOne, but if it were I think the Voce has the advantage for a single-amp solution with its band-pass crossover.
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Beautiful car.

Even with an unlimited budget I would go with the 900/5. We're obviously in very different tax brackets but my budget for car audio is for all intents unlimited and I just couldn't find anything better than the HD series amps for size, noise floor, efficiency, power, and sound quality (meaning it amplifies the sound with little to no coloring of it's own). Don't worry about what anyone says about a lack of detail. I'm running the Esotars and the tweeters in particular are very revealing and these amps are most certainly not lacking.
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The amp will most likely be in the cockpit as I want to leave the boot untouched.

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What Amp-rating is your Alternator? The 360 Modena I'm working on is just 80-amps so there's not a huge amount left after the 20-40 amps the car will use with all accessories and lights on. Should be no problem with ~1500w or less though.

Will the amplifier(s) be mounted in the boot or the cockpit?

I like the staggered-output of the Voce 5.1k and it's Hybrid A-B/Class D design. But for size, SQ, and electrical system efficiency I would not hesitate to use the JL HD. However, if there is room to stack two of the JL HD's vertically, I would go with a HD600/4 + HD750/1 depending on your alt. IME Morel's like a lot of power.

Just be sure that the HD750/1 you get is a recent production model...there was a RECALL on these amps for "Potential Risk of FIRE". I would not want anything to be at risk with your vehicle.

Built-in Crossover capabilities are not a concern since you are using the BitOne, but if it were I think the Voce has the advantage for a single-amp solution with its band-pass crossover.
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Just get the JL. There's no reason to consider anything else given your parameters.

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