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What are your goals for your car audio system - as loud as possible (SPL)? Sound quality (SQ)? Some combination of both? Describe to us how you want your system to sound.**

Clarity. Good soundstage. Full sound with slight bump from compact sub.

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* **What vehicle? - year, make, model, type (coupe, sedan, SUV, truck, etc.)**

2019 subaru crosstrek suv/crossover

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2-3k

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* **What gear is in your existing system? (Is it stock? List any aftermarket gear.)**

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Hi all trying to narrow down a system and check components/ match. Making sure I'm doing ok or suggestions welcomed.

Keeping factory 6.5 touch screen with android auto and starlink.

Planning on using audiocontrol DSP amp either 4 or 6 channel. Need help deciding.

Infinity kappa 6x9 components in door and pillar with infinity pappy 3.5 mid in dash corner for a 3 way...with the 3.5 ran active off the amp/DSP set to about 450-3500 crossover bandpass. ?

And if 6 channel then the rears 6.5 coax in doors. Or ignore them and run off radio?

Line out off amp to a soundstream nano 650 mono block amp powering JL 10" shallow in custom .35cu box left over from previous build.

How does this look? Any suggestions or mistakes?

Ive been doing a lot of research on dsps and lineout converters. And was torn between the JL fix86 till I seemed to have realized I need the other unit too to actually tune it so seemed excessive when the audiocontrol does it all and the software looks very intuitive.

Question however is there a stand-alone DSP thst has the same control and can use a dumb amp for equal results and save money?

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Assuming you want to run all the front speakers active, which automatically means 6 channels of amplification, one for each speaker.

Most folks here recommend no rear fill, but I understand everyone has their own feeling about it, so if you like it, that will be an additional two amp channels.

You can absolutely use a DSP and a "dumb" amp, the key is to get one with input EQ to remove any factory processing... that is essentially what the FiX does, but it offers somewhat less control than others.

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Assuming you want to run the front speakers active, which automatically means 6 channels of amplification, one for each speaker.
What I was planning was 6x9 and tweeter on their passive crossover setup and the 3.5 mid added as active for a 3way setup front. So 4ch min. And debating whether to ignore the rear doors and keep them on radio or get a 6 channel to power a new set of 6.5 coax in them... If worth it.

Or where you suggesting a 6ch to run just the fronts full active?
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What I was planning was 6x9 and tweeter on their passive crossover setup and the 3.5 mid added as active for a 3way setup front. So 4ch min. And debating whether to ignore the rear doors and keep them on radio or get a 6 channel to power a new set of 6.5 coax in them... If worth it.

Or where you suggesting a 6ch to run just the fronts full active?
The whole point of a DSP is to be able to control each speaker with it's own EQ, frequency & time alignment. If you use the factory Infinity crossover, it prevents you from controlling the tweeters and 6x9's with the DSP... so you're losing the capabilities a DSP provides... wasting money, really.

If you want to use just the 6x9's and tweeters via the Infinity crossover, you wouldn't need a DSP or an amp with a built in DSP. But, if you really want to add those 3.5's, then you might as well go full active.

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By the way, this is a great site to get info on, but we all love to spend other peoples money j/k

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The whole point of a DSP is to be able to control each speaker with it's own EQ, frequency & time alignment. If you use the factory Infinity crossover, it prevents you from controlling the tweeters and 6x9's with the DSP... so you're losing the capabilities a DSP provides... wasting money, really.

If you want to use just the 6x9's and tweeters via the Infinity crossover, you wouldn't need a DSP or an amp with a built in DSP. But, if you really want to add those 3.5's, then you might as well go full active.

haha yeah i get the spending others money. and yeah i agree about the waste in dsp at that section. but here's the thing. I've ended up at this junction because i want to keep the factory HU. so at minimum looking at say a Lc7i to convert the signals to flat and kill the factory bass roll off. and started going down the road of added utility and sound quality upgrade a DSP unit would add to that function. and hence the audio control D-4.800 and greater came into consideration. along with the JL fix etc.

i guess the real question is, can you suggest a better value option that will be on par with or better than audiocontrol solution. maybe a standalone dps i'm overlooking and a comparable amp. or the JL vxi series?

i'm not opposed to running a 6ch active if that's my best solution assuming all that power up front isn't overkill. and i can address the rear as an option etc
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haha yeah i get the spending others money. and yeah i agree about the waste in dsp at that section. but here's the thing. I've ended up at this junction because i want to keep the factory HU. so at minimum looking at say a Lc7i to convert the signals to flat and kill the factory bass roll off. and started going down the road of added utility and sound quality upgrade a DSP unit would add to that function. and hence the audio control D-4.800 and greater came into consideration. along with the JL fix etc.

i guess the real question is, can you suggest a better value option that will be on par with or better than audiocontrol solution. maybe a standalone dps i'm overlooking and a comparable amp. or the JL vxi series?

i'm not opposed to running a 6ch active if that's my best solution assuming all that power up front isn't overkill. and i can address the rear as an option etc
why do you want to run 3 hybrid/active vs 2 way active? More speakers is not always better sound.

I have an 18 crosstrek with a 6x9 in the door and a tweeter in the dash and a Helix DSP. Its not perfect yet, but it sounds pretty good. I personally think if i added a mid and made it 3 way i would take a step back in SQ, and it would be better to spend the time and money on the tune at this point. Unless i was going to go to pillar pods for the mids and tweets. Which i don't think you are doing are you?

run 2 way active and plan on DSP'ing your rears and if that doesn't do it for you after a year or so then think about 3 way.

Also, running 6x9 and tweeter on passives and shoehorning a mid into the mix is a recipe for crappy sound.

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why do you want to run 3 hybrid/active vs 2 way active? More speakers is not always better sound.

I have an 18 crosstrek with a 6x9 in the door and a tweeter in the dash and a Helix DSP. Its not perfect yet, but it sounds pretty good. I personally think if i added a mid and made it 3 way i would take a step back in SQ, and it would be better to spend the time and money on the tune at this point. Unless i was going to go to pillar pods for the mids and tweets. Which i don't think you are doing are you?

run 2 way active and plan on DSP'ing your rears and if that doesn't do it for you after a year or so then think about 3 way.

Also, running 6x9 and tweeter on passives and shoehorning a mid into the mix is a recipe for crappy sound.
OH hey mini guess we bled over to this side. yeah still working it all out. hell i went with the 3way because crutchfield pitches that mid be design paired to go with the components. seemed like the made in heaven solution.

i'm still qualifying a proper DPS solution. audiocontrol with amp seems like the best fit unless i can find another that is on par or better for less.
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OH hey mini guess we bled over to this side. yeah still working it all out. hell i went with the 3way because crutchfield pitches that mid be design paired to go with the components. seemed like the made in heaven solution.

i'm still qualifying a proper DPS solution. audiocontrol with amp seems like the best fit unless i can find another that is on par or better for less.
and well i just took a second look and seems i still mis-matched it. its meant to go with the kappa perfect. and that one seems to have a switchable 2-3way crossover. not that that makes much difference if i'm gonna do it active. but that set is 6.5 with tweeter.
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OH hey mini guess we bled over to this side. yeah still working it all out. hell i went with the 3way because crutchfield pitches that mid be design paired to go with the components. seemed like the made in heaven solution.

i'm still qualifying a proper DPS solution. audiocontrol with amp seems like the best fit unless i can find another that is on par or better for less.
haha...yup i didn't catch that until just now. I'm confused on how you are running this. The 6x9 comps will be passive 2 ways and crutchfield said to add that 3" mid to what is already a full range speaker system?

I think it would be cool to build those 6 drivers into a 3 way active system, but it would take some convincing to think that adding the 3" to a passive 2 way is a good idea.

I think i think that anyway...will have to go back to XV forum and see if thats what i was thinking

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haha...yup i didn't catch that until just now. I'm confused on how you are running this. The 6x9 comps will be passive 2 ways and crutchfield said to add that 3" mid to what is already a full range speaker system?

I think it would be cool to build those 6 drivers into a 3 way active system, but it would take some convincing to think that adding the 3" to a passive 2 way is a good idea.

I think i think that anyway...will have to go back to XV forum and see if thats what i was thinking
yeah i had it paired with the 6x9 kappa by mistake. it's ment to go with the kappa perfect 6.5 component that has a 2 -3 way crossover switchable. it will switch the 6.5 lower and put the mid perfectly in line between as a 3way.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_108PER...tp=64033&avf=Y

again as a passive crossover 3way set. the benefit i see here is in lue of going active i guess i can just use one channel and let that do its job. and save just get a 4channel and use it to power the rear. with the possibility to grow later and go active. guess it leaves the door open. seemed like it was getting out of hand for me to get a 6 channel amp just for the front speakers... but i am still weighting the pros- cons... at the end of the day those are $650 speakers so
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I think an active 2 way would sound better than a half active 3 way .

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Haha maybe. So you're frowning on the intended 3way function with crossover switched to 3 way?

Also found they actually have a 6x9 perfect version. https://www.crutchfield.com/p_108PER...rfect-900.html
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I think an active 2 way would sound better than a half active 3 way .
I disagree so long as your splitting the midbass from the midrange/tweeter. Just my experience

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lol, I thought about clarifying by saying exactly that. But that's not what he is contemplating.

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lol, I thought about clarifying by saying exactly that. But that's not what he is contemplating.
I think he is planning to run full 3 way passive. I was confused for most of the night.

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lol, I thought about clarifying by saying exactly that. But that's not what he is contemplating.
I think he is planning to run full 3 way passive. I was confused for most of the night.<img src="https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
Yeah I think thats the safest bet for me right now. Assuming those are a good choice for speakers. I can further consider going full active at a later time. Although besides some overlap in frequency between the midrange and mid bass not sure what the difference is. Lettingit passive verse active on the one.
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Since someone mentioned spending other people's money...

Sounds like you already have the sub and sub box. So the equipment on your list is about $2k, and your budget was 2-3k. Audiofrog GB10, GB40, and GB60 instead of the Infinity 3 way would add $900. But you would have to run active.

That's what I would do

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Sounds like you already have the sub and sub box. So the equipment on your list is about $2k, and your budget was 2-3k. Audiofrog GB10, GB40, and GB60 instead of the Infinity 3 way would add $900. But you would have to run active.

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Man those look sick. But ouch yeah 900 more plus id have to get the audiocontrol d-6.1200 which would raise it some more. Hoping to leave a little room for baffles...if recommended for the doors. Sound deadening and cabling. And maybe im old school but rear fill coax... Hard to me to let go of the days of fat 6x9 in rear deck with 2 x 12s in the trunk &#x1f606;
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I thought you were already planning on the DSP 6 channel amp. Sorry. You could start of with the 10 and 60, add the 40 later. Use the last 2 channels for rear fill, by the time you add the midrange to the front, you won't care about rear fill anymore and re-purpose those amp channels.

You can make your own baffles for almost free (the price of a cutting board). But definitely dont spend sound deadening money on speakers and not do deadening.

Crutchfield doesn't seem to sell these anymore, but this could save money too:

https://www.audiofrog.com/gs690-6-x-...e-loudspeaker/

Get the GS690 instead of the GB60. Think someone on here is an online dealer for audiofrog and can probably get them for you.

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I thought you were already planning on the DSP 6 channel amp. Sorry. You could start of with the 10 and 60, add the 40 later. Use the last 2 channels for rear fill, by the time you add the midrange to the front, you won't care about rear fill anymore and re-purpose those amp channels.

You can make your own baffles for almost free (the price of a cutting board). But definitely dont spend sound deadening money on speakers and not do deadening.

Crutchfield doesn't seem to sell these anymore, but this could save money too:

https://www.audiofrog.com/gs690-6-x-...e-loudspeaker/

Get the GS690 instead of the GB60. Think someone on here is an online dealer for audiofrog and can probably get them for you.
no worries, i've been all over the place as i'm working through what to get. my concept and plan is evolving as i learn.

now not bashing and risking sounding like a noob. but what makes Audiofrog so good? i've never heard of them, aside from them seeming to be a high end boutique brand. i feel like its heading toward the fringe end of diminished returns for lots of $. In other words what makes them $900 better then the top of the line infinities for example.

and to be fair and put in context i'm of the group that would rather have a decked out supra vs a Ferrari for example. or better a Rubicon vs a Hummer...
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Iíve never owned AudioFrog but Iíve heard them. Probably half the people on here own AF speakers. Donít think Iíve ever seen anyone say anything bad about them, or not like them.

When I was planning my system, I considered them for awhile, ended up going a different route.




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Iíve never owned AudioFrog but Iíve heard them. Probably half the people on here own AF speakers.

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no worries, i've been all over the place as i'm working through what to get. my concept and plan is evolving as i learn.

now not bashing and risking sounding like a noob. but what makes Audiofrog so good? i've never heard of them, aside from them seeming to be a high end boutique brand. i feel like its heading toward the fringe end of diminished returns for lots of $. In other words what makes them $900 better then the top of the line infinities for example.

and to be fair and put in context i'm of the group that would rather have a decked out supra vs a Ferrari for example. or better a Rubicon vs a Hummer...

Someone here is selling a pair of BNIB Audiofrog GS690. Great speakers, they'll probably be gone fast...

https://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum...rog-gs690.html

The Audiofrog brand was started by a VERY experienced industry veteran...Andy Wehmeyer. He was the car audio division product manager for Harman Int'l/JBL for many, many years. Andy knows his sheit backwards & forwards and designed and engineered his products for uncompromised performance.

The Audiofrog speakers aren't inexpensive, but they perform to a very high standard and if there is ever a problem, Andy will personally stand behind his products and make it right.

I've owned and used the GS690, GS42, GB60, GB40, and GB25. You'll be hard pressed to find better sounding speakers for the money, or at any price. I would buy all of these over again if my cars or system were stolen.

Of course there are a lot of other great speakers on the market now, but you won't go wrong with the Audiofrogs. Andy is DIYMA member "GotFrogs".

And contrary to SkizeR's personal opinion you also might want to look into the Stereo Integrity TM65 MK III, M3, and M25 combination. FANTASTIC drivers for the money (and excellent irregardless of the price)! You could also go with just the TM65 MK III 6.5" Mids & M25 Tweeters. Nick of Stereo Integrity is DIYMA member "Electrodynamic". Stereo Integrity

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