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Hello all...

With all the talk about amps on these forums and no conversations about A/B amps, this has sparked my interest. For those with experience with A/B amps, what say you? I'm working on adding a couple of Hertz Mille Legend ML700.3 midrange speakers for the A-pillars to go with my Mille ML280 tweeters. I also just picked up a pair of GB60's from Skizer and bought a GB10D4 10" sub from Crutchfield. With all that being said, my budget has become limited. I'm doing my best to do most of the labor stuff myself to save a few bucks. When I'm done with the A pillars Mr. Apicella & Mr. Mullings will be doing the tune.

I have been eying the Audison Voce 5.1k 5 channel. Seems like the best choice so far. So I'm just curious what the experienced folks have to suggest?...

Just a side note: It must be an A/B AMP!!!

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I love my arc ks900.6.

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I love my arc ks900.6.
I'm just curious, where do you mount those amps in your Impreza?
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I'm just curious, where do you mount those amps in your Impreza?
I used to mount them on the back of the rear seats, I have an amp rack now is mounted diagonally from my box to the corner of the trunk. One amp on top, the other on the bottom.

I went down to one sub a few years ago and was able to redo some things while saving space and finally get the amps off the seats too.

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Since nobody else has chimed in... think the zapco ap150.6 would be the go-to 6ch class ab amp. If you can swing the price, that is.

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Zapco 150.4 or 150.6 all the way. They just plain work! Plenty of people on here still run a/b amps. Just easy to get lost in all the super tiny class D talk. I still prefer a/b on mids and highs even if the difference is all in my head when compared to the better designed D amps.

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Zapco 150.4 or 150.6 all the way. They just plain work! Plenty of people on here still run a/b amps. Just easy to get lost in all the super tiny class D talk. I still prefer a/b on mids and highs even if the difference is all in my head when compared to the better designed D amps.
I think more people would run AB amps if they had the space. Isn't 150-160 watts per channel the Zapco's put out pretty risky for most tweeters, even with the gains down? I have a zapco AB amp that I'm going to have to get creative with to find a place to mount it.
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I think more people would run AB amps if they had the space. Isn't 150-160 watts per channel the Zapco's put out pretty risky for most tweeters, even with the gains down? I have a zapco AB amp that I'm going to have to get creative with to find a place to mount it.
I know someone with an AVAILABLE 500rms to EACH tweeter. He has a pair of 150.6's bridged to his 3-way front. Gains at minimum and pulled down in the processor is all you need to do. The amp will only put out as much as you tell it to.

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I know someone with an AVAILABLE 500rms to EACH tweeter. He has a pair of 150.6's bridged to his 3-way front. Gains at minimum and pulled down in the processor is all you need to do. The amp will only put out as much as you tell it to.
Damnit, I knew I shouldn't have said anything. You're tempting me to go to the bigger zapco
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You could just sell me the 700.3s and not have to worry about it!

In all seriousness, I have a Zapco ST-4SQ bridged to my 1800.3s and a ST-2SQ on my 280.3. I love how they sound. I can only think the higher level Zapco amps would be even better.


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I know someone with an AVAILABLE 500rms to EACH tweeter. He has a pair of 150.6's bridged to his 3-way front. Gains at minimum and pulled down in the processor is all you need to do. The amp will only put out as much as you tell it to.
What's the point if..

1) an all things equal amp but with more power will have a higher noise floor

2) takes up more space for zero reason (unless your like me, and aesthetically like filling up available space)

3) is fully aware that they dont even use 10% of what they have at any time

I dont get it. This whole headroom thing is getting silly

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What's the point if..

1) an all things equal amp but with more power will have a higher noise floor

2) takes up more space for zero reason (unless your like me, and aesthetically like filling up available space)

3) is fully aware that they dont even use 10% of what they have at any time

I dont get it. This whole headroom thing is getting silly

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You could just sell me the 700.3s and not have to worry about it!

In all seriousness, I have a Zapco ST-4SQ bridged to my 1800.3s and a ST-2SQ on my 280.3. I love how they sound. I can only think the higher level Zapco amps would be even better.


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That's where the Mille's shine. The ML280.3 & ML700.3 marriage with the right A/B amp would be orgasmic!!!

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What's the point if..

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2) takes up more space for zero reason (unless your like me, and aesthetically like filling up available space)

3) is fully aware that they dont even use 10% of what they have at any time

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Ill have a zed audio leviathan for sale soon. Would have plenty of power. Just have to wait a few weeks for me to get home. Good price on it.

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Ill have a zed audio leviathan for sale soon. Would have plenty of power. Just have to wait a few weeks for me to get home. Good price on it.
Sweet! Do you know the model yet? Just would like to look up the details on it.

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Its the MKIII and its the leviathan. Im in Rochester but i go ti Syracuse ince a month or so. Could definitely meet up somewhere.

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I'll vouch for him if his feedback isn't good enough for you, lol. Some of mine probably back in there. The Leviathan is a good choice, as is the Zapco 150.6. I'm running 2 channels of that 150.6 on my HLCDs.... talk about overkill, right? lol I've also got a DC750.2 on the tweeters in my Z.

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The DLS CCi-44 has been my favorite class A/B so far.

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Thanks guys. All of these suggestions seem legitimate. I've been doing some research and they all seem like great amps. I have been really thinking about that Audison Voce 5.1k though. But if i remember correctly they had their own issues as well.

On a side note... Like I mentioned before I have the Mille ML700.3 3" midrange that I'm installing on the A pillars and the Mille ML280.3 tweeters that I have on the sails already. The wires on these tweeters seem to be around 18 or even 20 gauge. I'd like to run new 14 gauge wire for this 3-way setup. Any thoughts on how I should approach this dilemma?

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18-20 gauge wire on the tweeters should be plenty big for the tiny little bit of power they will use (less than 8 watts). Just run the speaker wire you have (larger wire) to the tweeter wire, connect them, and mount them.

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Just run your 14g wire and tie into the tweeters' 18g or 20g pigtails. It's all overkill, tweeters will actually see very low power and don't need heavy wire, run the heavier stuff just to match everything else in your install and for your peace of mind. There's no real dilemma.

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I recommend my Zed Nakamichi PA-506 which is available. 6x50 but underrated. Still new w/ box and manual. 20lbs of A/B goodness here.
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Sweet! Do you know the model yet? Just would like to look up the details on it.

Btw, where in NY are you? I'm up in Albany.

Just a heads up, the Leviathan is class D. Great amp though.

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Default Re: Suggestions for 4 or 6-Channel A/B Amp

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Just a heads up, the Leviathan is class D. Great amp though.
Thank for that info. I couldn't find anything mentioning the class on the web. I think I'm gonna hold off and save for the Audison Voce or the Zapco. Preferably the Zapco AP! Seems like those are the amps that fit the bill of what I'm looking for. I much rather go with a new one also.

Thanks for the help guys!...

2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee | Kenwood DDX9905s | Hertz ML700.3 & ML280.3 | Audio Development W600 | Audiofrog 10" GB10D4 | Helix Pro MK2 DSP | Zapco Z-II - {150.2/150.4/1KD Mono}
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