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anytime a product is delayed this long the hype overtakes the actual product and people end up with it in their hands saying "I waited 4 years for THIS??"
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Have you actually looked at the feature list? If it does 3/4 of what it is said to do it'll be on par with any other external DSP available. I fail to see your logic.
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I agree, it'll be a good product, but by the time it's out you could have had an H701 for 3 years and be done with tuning. why wait for this holy grail of technology when you could have something now, and upgrade later if it's actually worth it.

I don't care when it's coming out, if it's worth it at the time it releases, and it proves to be reliable and a good value, then I might go for it, but I'm not going to sit around wondering when I can enjoy today.

ever hear of the IDone? it'll be amazing too... if it ever gets released
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no eta on this thing... I have a feeling that it's going to be a huge dissappointment by the time it's released.
I doubt it. I'm actually highly impressed that Harman is taking this long (including, as I understand it, a complete code rewrite) to do it, instead of releasing an alpha-level product into the wild. I expect that I'll be buying one of these. Not for the daily driver, as it's probably better served by the simpler Alpine Audyssey MultEQ XT processor. But for the DS, it seems perfect.

Think of it another way: if it's taking Harman, which is to audio brain power what the US Department of Defense is to global military spending, this long to get this kind of processor right, there's a reason nobody else is taking on this kind of project.
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Exactly.

And having heard a prototype unit...it will be worth it. I have a feeling that I will also be sporting one of these processors when it is all said and done.
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I've cleaned out most of my car procs for this thing. Obviously the sooner the better, but it's definitly worth the wait...(as long as it is eventually released...)

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it'll really suck for everyone who's waiting if it gets to the point where harman says "meh, not worth it, lets cut our losses and forget it"

I have no faith in companies who are bringing out a great product with cutting edge technology. too many have bailed, or just delayed the product until nobody cares anymore.
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Considering the orignal purpose of the processor is for factory integration...I doubt it would be canned. We are the niche market for this thing.
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if it does everything (inc 4/5 way), and i can run my 880 thru it, and get one used for $300, ill take it

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The release date is stretching further and further forward...

I think that this should be released soon so that the 'other' manufactures are made to pull their fingers out of where the sun don't shine and offer real alternatives rather than marketing gimmicks!

Make it happen...

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how hard is it for a major electronics company to build a GREAT stand alone processor nowdays?

cant be that hard?

they seem to be able to put swimming dolphins into a dash, why not a GREAT processor?

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i say we all chip in and build it ourselves, we decide on features etc, then we all chip in oir $$ and get some company smewhere to build it for us.

how many car audio enthusiasts would buy it GLOBALLY?

im guessing 50, 000 units would sell @ $300 each

= $15,000000.

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i say we all chip in and build it ourselves, we decide on features etc, then we all chip in oir $$ and get some company smewhere to build it for us.

how many car audio enthusiasts would buy it GLOBALLY?

im guessing 50, 000 units would sell @ $300 each

= $15,000000.
I doubt there would be 50,000 people that would buy a 300 dollar product with no BS marketing and no bling. The people with the technical understanding and audiophile tastes number in the very few. Everyone else wants easy use, simple features and lots of bass.

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I doubt there would be 50,000 people that would buy a 300 dollar product with no BS marketing and no bling. The people with the technical understanding and audiophile tastes number in the very few. Everyone else wants easy use, simple features and lots of bass.
i stand by my guesstimate, theres a lot of car audio fans out here, many of the spl guys are moving towards sq...L we ALL have the same issue.


TUNING.

if it was a great product (zero added noise and worked well), id bet 75% of people who have car audio as a 'hobby'

wold buy it within 18 months

das a lot of peeps.

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Who would you get to write the code? And how would you pay for the software part of the processor?
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Who would you get to write the code? And how would you pay for the software part of the processor?
id ask the thoughts and help of all the smart car audio guys, like yourself, and many others, once we agreed on the basics (4 way, ta, parametric etc etc) we could allocate different components of getting the thing designed/built to those that knew those areas best.

prolly involve some legal paperwork OR test trust and friendship?

anyone that wants to be involved to donate as much $$ as they can.

if we can put the design/ideas/concept together for $7000, and contact some 'electronics' build house for a bid on a run of 3000 units?

people involved in the design get paid typical design rates for their work ($75 an hour)?

everyone else gets a % of PROFIT according to how much $$ they invested.

no-one gets a free unit.

naive maybe, but i believe if 3 or 5 good guys decided to try this, and were backed financially by 140 others, and the product was GREAT,


maybe..just maybe alpine jbl, pioneer and audio control may have a new competitior? i suggest (diymapwnsjou as the company name )

no reason the first run couldnt be available for christmas, no doubt any bs/greed/ego and the project would fail.


worst case senario? we sell em on e bay @ $130 each for a total loss of $0.

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This thread isn't evidence enough that it ain't that easy to design something that complex?

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You're not a businessman, are you?

Sorry to be so negative. I just don't comprehend where you are pulling these #'s from. I really like where you're coming from, but I don't think you're being realistic, to say the least.
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You're not a businessman, are you?

Sorry to be so negative. I just don't comprehend where you are pulling these ideas from.
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OK. It is a sweet idea.

I just doubt that 3 guys in a garage could do it, if Harman can't.

And I think the worst case scenario would be wasting a LOT more money that that, a ton of valuable people's time, and having nothing to show for it whatsoever.
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OK. It is a sweet idea.

I just doubt that 3 guys in a garage could do it, if Harman can't.

And I think the worst case scenario would be wasting a LOT more money that that, a ton of valuable people's time, and having nothing to show for it whatsoever.
some of the detail some people go into here about various things, leaves me to believe the knowledge is right here, k.i.s.s. just a quality processor.

if we stay away from anything STUPID AND UNESSESARY ....7.1 anyone?

actually i bet if we gave whiterabbit $5000 and 2 weeks off his regular job he could do most of it on his own

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keeping the tech talk to a minimum, what does the jbl unit do that this doesnt

http://www.zapco.com/prod/DC_Ref/DSP_DRC_Frame.htm

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factory integration and auto-tuning to name a few and keep it simple
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factory integration and auto-tuning to name a few and keep it simple
so if we add a l.o.c and our ears all thing are equal?

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so if we add a l.o.c and our ears all thing are equal?
Well not exactly....if you can flatten all factory EQ in all types of vehicles that is used to compensate for the OEM system acoustics and driver locations to make a flat signal to start out with. Then have the know how and ears to tune then i guess you can say yes.

I would say its not the absolute best thing in the world, but it does make it convenient for the mass market and those who are not willing to go all out in DSP with multiple highend processors. Also it does 5.1 if that floats your boat. Its not for everyone, but i think it would be useful for the majority compared to what is commercially available now especially how newer cars have their HUs integrated into other factory components
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