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MS Series? Can you comment on what that will consist of? Will the MS-8 be the premier item in that series?
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I think there other MS series stuff will be similar to the infinity full range class D amps they have out now but with a different look. I wonder if those RJ45 like connectors will interface somehow with the ms8...
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Can't wait to see the new productS. And the demo car!
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Well...the display and the remote will look like that, but the main unit won't. We've revised the design to look like a small family of products that will be the new "MS-Series". I like the new design better, but I don't have any pictures to post.
.. must wait for a 10ch now ?:
(so that, if using two pairs of ch on front doors, could avoid the dilemma of putting two ch remaining on parallel for rear doors together with rear satellites .. )

btw, no need for me to have that 20watt amplification embedded in the device: a battery of specific amps is already waiting to connect to the ms-8 outputs.
just need it to have low-level input capability, as I am one of those who do prefer using pre-outs instead of speaker lines. (especially after all the work done on the audiogateway to get 'em out of it)
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You guys are just as pathetic as I was. You guys are buying audio gear to go with a device that doesn't exist. I actually bought a vehicle that the MS8 would have fit nicely with, but the rumored existence of this mysterious device actually outlived the vehicle by 13 months! (so far)

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You guys are just as pathetic as I was. You guys are buying audio gear to go with a device that doesn't exist. I actually bought a vehicle that the MS8 would have fit nicely with, but the rumored existence of this mysterious device actually outlived the vehicle by 13 months! (so far)
I guess you learned your lesson. I'm still trying to figure out how to install a beta unit in the camel I'm riding around LA. They're legal in the HOV lane here.
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I guess you learned your lesson.
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You guys are just as pathetic as I was. You guys are buying audio gear to go with a device that doesn't exist. I actually bought a vehicle that the MS8 would have fit nicely with, but the rumored existence of this mysterious device actually outlived the vehicle by 13 months! (so far)
well the only thing im buying is a center channel speaker, but its not an exlusive ms-8 center channel speaker Bill,i can use it with or without the ms-8, guess that makes me pathetic, oh well ive been called worse

but why so angry Bill, did you build your car around this piece or something? or is this something personal between you and Andy?

it seems there have been unforseen setbacks, but it also seems to be in the final stages of completion, and im looking forward to trying this piece out, as well as a bunch of others here, should we hide our enthusiasm because its been delayed? and not try and figure out what it can do and how we can integrate the piece into out systems? would that make you feel better Bill or do you just need a hug today?

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...but why so angry Bill, did you build your car around this piece or something? or is this something personal between you and Andy?
Why do you think I'm angry? Is my text the wrong color? There's nothing personal between Andy and I, and in fact I thought we've gotten along fine. We've had some exchanges about this behind the scenes, and it was always cordial and productive.

Look at it from a point of view other than your own. The guy made a huge blunder by announcing this thing years and years too early. For most of us, this would have been a career ender, but Andy is still hanging on...

Add to that, the worst economy in my 20+ years of being an 'observer' in this industry, and I'm sitting back and laughing, because (conversely) most of us are performing at our highest level just to keep our positions in corporate America.

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...but it also seems to be in the final stages of completion...
I thought the same thing... It was a couple of months away from completion... He just needed to finalize one more tweak in the software... In 2007.

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Look at it from a point of view other than your own. The guy made a huge blunder by announcing this thing years and years too early. For most of us, this would have been a career ender, but Andy is still hanging on...

i have been waiting for this piece from the beginning as well, so i understand being frustrated, and in hind sight im sure it was a big mistake to announce it back then, but unless you believe there was intentional deception on his part in dragging this out i dont get all the bitching on this thread directed towards Andy, i mean maybe towards the guy that was writing the code that quit, or to people over Andy in the company that delayed or shelved the project, that i could see
...but that would be looking at it from a point of view other than YOUR own




Add to that, the worst economy in my 20+ years of being an 'observer' in this industry, and I'm sitting back and laughing, because (conversely) most of us are performing at our highest level just to keep our positions in corporate America.

again maybe the delays were out of his hands


I thought the same thing... It was a couple of months away from completion... He just needed to finalize one more tweak in the software... In 2007.

well it sounds like they are close,(unless Andy's master plan is just to deceive us all) i guess well see,
so are you gonna buy one IF it does come out? or are you too swole now?

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You guys are just as pathetic as I was. You guys are buying audio gear to go with a device that doesn't exist. I actually bought a vehicle that the MS8 would have fit nicely with, but the rumored existence of this mysterious device actually outlived the vehicle by 13 months! (so far)
sorry, but really don't see where the problem is: this long awaited thing is finally only an additional/optional device.
I guess that every system, not only mine, can continue working without it or with some other device which is already available.
nonetheless any tchnological improvement in the state of the art is always welcomed and there's nothing wrong trusting it will.
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so are you gonna buy one IF it does come out? or are you too swole now?
First, I should tell you that I don't have an expectation that it will actually be available for sale, ever. JBL produced their prototypes so that their vehicles could display them in a few competitions. (happens a lot more than you think)

Second, if it ever did get produced, I'll need to evaluate what vehicle I'm driving at the time, if I'm still alive.

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We'll deliver it.
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Andy, I want to get you a shirt that says:

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I CAN'T wait for this to become reality...

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Andy, I have a question about the DIY digital input mod for the MS-8 you mentioned a while back. Will it be possible to send the MS-8 an I²S bus output from a closely mounted USB to I²S converter?

The device has these pinouts.

•Pin 1: Ground
•Pin 2: MCLK
•Pin 3: LRCLK
•Pin 4: BCLK
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Andy, I have a question about the DIY digital input mod for the MS-8 you mentioned a while back. Will it be possible to send the MS-8 an I²S bus output from a closely mounted USB to I²S converter?

The device has these pinouts.

•Pin 1: Ground
•Pin 2: MCLK
•Pin 3: LRCLK
•Pin 4: BCLK
•Pin 5: DATA

Ahhh...like an Aardvark. That's how much of the development has been done on prototype boards, but now that the microcontroller and display code is basically finished, that interface is obsolete. What would you want to do with the computer connected to this thing?
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Ahhh...like an Aardvark. That's how much of the development has been done on prototype boards, but now that the microcontroller and display code is basically finished, that interface is obsolete. What would you want to do with the computer connected to this thing?
Don't know if it would help with the sound but I though maybe using a USB to i2s converter instead of a USB to spdif converter to send the music from a carpc would better since it would skip the convertion to and from spdif. Or is any advantage it might bring insignificant and would complicate things for nothing.
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Don't know if it would help with the sound but I though maybe using a USB to i2s converter instead of a USB to spdif converter to send the music from a carpc would better since it would skip the convertion to and from spdif. Or is any advantage it might bring insignificant and would complicate things for nothing.
I'm guessing the latter. If you are running 2 channel from the USB, then S/PDIF is lossless--so you shouldn't see any degradation there. Actually I think spdif is lossless regardless of stereo vs multi-channel. Do what's easiest and most convenient, I say.

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My First Post Here but not really a rookie... Thanks for the great resource!

I am one of those guys who likes the idea of OEM integration. I recently bought my latest "new" car - a 2007 BMW 550i without Logic7. I found this thread (and eventual consumer product) in a web search and I am glad I did. I have obtained just about all I need for my car to run speaker-level inputs into this device - in the trunk - and let it do its thing. I will use the planned 20 watt amp integrated within to power my add-on center channel speaker.

For you BMW-specific folks, for the E60 cars you want to find the Blaupunkt adapter cables and long extension they sold for use with their PnP THA-555 amps. Do a quick search in the 5Series forums for an excellent thread on particulars... The amps are now OOP, but still around on ebay... I plan to get the BSW Stage 1 speaker upgrade kit and an extra driver for the stock location center channel speaker. At least to start, I have no desire to electronically isolate the tweeters from woofers (i.e. replace or bypass the factory crossovers) in doors or rear deck. I'll want to just send a signal to each corner of the car and let the factory crossover split it... Hopefully that won't interfere with the creation or use of a flat signal by the MS-8 This should give me a 4-channel main setup (front LR and Rear LR) + center channel + mono to 2 factory subs (swapped out with identical form factor 8" Earthquakes), totalling 6 channels in all.

Any plans to have this able to integrate into iDrive (Yes - I get that this would likely require a dealer trip to program, plus a kit plus instructions from JBL as to fiber optic cables and power feeds, OEM-spec harnesses, etc...)?

In any event, I can't wait to try this out.

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you guys are getting way to complicated with your converting this to that then back again..... holy crap lets make this much much simpler..... just go buy the new ford transit connect and hire a live band to play in the back!!!!!!!!! lol anyway andy keep up the great work..... ps run for president, i dont think obama is gonna make it at the rate he is going...
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I must have missed the part where there was a 20watt amp integrated into it. How in the world does that work/is connected?
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I must have missed the part where there was a 20watt amp integrated into it. How in the world does that work/is connected?
It's internal and you choose what kind of output (ie line or speaker level) you per active channel.
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, i dont think obama is gonna make it at the rate he is going...
Obama was still a rookie in congress when we started talking about this piece...

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I'd love to see this on the market - will be interesting to see what the actual unit becomes available.
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