[eltigre]

Oh man, you guys really got me in some trouble here. lol

So a few months ago I decided my Charger with the HK upgraded system needed a bass upgrade. I planned to leave everything else as is.

Made an appointment with a local 12v technician and met with him. That very day, I signed up here and made a thread about it. Originally I planned to do a single, GB12 sub and amp with a control knob, eventually that became two GB12"s. Sort of 90's style I guess, I didn't even know what a dsp was.

Since that day, I have been here everyday. I've read thousands of threads, every single new thread created and tried to learn as much as I could. It's still not much but just enough to be dangerous, to my bank account mostly. This is how you all nudged me towards the rabbit hole.

Today, I had another appointment with the tech and jumped right into the rabbit hole, head firstish.

So my project will begin in March. Here is where we are, as a ruff out. Some things may change through the process and I'm cool with that. If so, I'll update here, along with equipment model numbers as I know those specifics. I don't know exactly where and how each component will be installed at this point, but I explicitly trust that it will be done with meticulous care and consideration. Pics will be posted during and after, hopefully that will be helpful for some.

Full Active

Front Stage- Three way, Bonneville Labs Signature Series
Center- BL full range
Rear Fill- Bonneville Labs coaxial
Amp- Helix V12
Control- Conductor

Subs- Two Audiomobile Evo 10's or 12's (Depends on modeling results) in the trunk
Enclosure- Ported, DetailsTBD
Sub Amp- Helix P2

Sound deadening.

I know nothing about the Audiomobile gear. Made sense to back off the cost of the two GB12's that I had originally planned to use for just the bass upgrade when it changed to the entire shooting match.

There is another piece or two of integration equipment that flew past me, will add details. As for now, it sounds like the plan is to attempt to install with optical. That's what I know now, I'll try to keep it up to date if it seems anybody is interested.

Super excited about the process and results. I really do appreciate the generous help and kindness of this community, hope that I'll have some useful input during and after the process.

Thoughts, Advice, Comments, Requests, Insults (lol)?

 

[saltyone]

You’re going to need a way to grab signal from the factory HU and send it to the V12. I’m not sure is the PacAmp Pro AP4 CH-41 will work with a 2022 Charger…check Crutchfield. If so, get the toslink adapter and you’re set.

If the AP4 doesn’t work, something like a JL Fix 86 or 82 would work.

 

[eltigre]

You’re going to need a way to grab signal from the factory HU and send it to the V12. I’m not sure is the PacAmp Pro AP4 CH-41 will work with a 2022 Charger…check Crutchfield. If so, get the toslink adapter and you’re set.

If the AP4 doesn’t work, something like a JL Fix 86 or 82 would work.

Roger that! I think one of those or something similar is one of the the integration parts that I can't remember. I'll update it when I know.

 

[slowride]

You’re going to need a way to grab signal from the factory HU and send it to the V12. I’m not sure is the PacAmp Pro AP4 CH-41 will work with a 2022 Charger…check Crutchfield. If so, get the toslink adapter and you’re set.

If the AP4 doesn’t work, something like a JL Fix 86 or 82 would work.

Wouldn't the V Twelve DSP work to grab all the summed channels from the factory amp? Not as clean as optical but its definitely doable.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

I'd also add a Bluetooth module for that V12. 😃

 

[saltyone]

Wouldn't the V Twelve DSP work to grab all the summed channels from the factory amp? Not as clean as optical but its definitely doable.

Looks like it could work. Wouldn't all of the factory eq'ing still be in the signal then amplified?

HELIX-V-TWELVE-DSP_MK2_148x210mm_02-12-21_web.pdf (audiotec-fischer.de)

 

[slowride]

Looks like it could work. Wouldn't all of the factory eq'ing still be in the signal then amplified?

HELIX-V-TWELVE-DSP_MK2_148x210mm_02-12-21_web.pdf (audiotec-fischer.de)

Someone smarter than me can use the input eq to compensate. I have no clue, maybe the ACO can help in this situation. Just trying to keep OP from overbuying equipment.

 

[eltigre]

I'd also add a Bluetooth module for that V12. 😃

We discussed that and it will be so.

 

[eltigre]

Someone smarter than me can use the input eq to compensate. I have no clue, maybe the ACO can help in this situation. Just trying to keep OP from overbuying equipment.

I'm embarrassed to say that he mentioned that I'll need a XXXX for a pure/flat signal. I remember it was around $500 but can't for the life of me remember what it was called. I'll find out.

 

[saltyone]

Around $500 sounds like the JL Fix. The AP4 runs about $320.

 

[slowride]

I know Nick had said a while back that he would choose the V Twelve because it was the only piece in the line up to allow full integration with some vehicles that required summing, Bluetooth, navigation prompts and center channels. Made a mental note about his comment/observation but don’t remember what vehicle he was talking about. Land Rover maybe? Who knows, I could be way off as none of my vehicles requires that much integration. My GMC also runs a PAC Amp Pro with optical to a Helix Ultra.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

The V12 can sum channels, fix the factory EQing, and other things. But I can't remember something it couldn't fix. Some type of filters. An other thing it can't fix is the HPF in the 30s my Honda has 🤬. But it does what any other integration unit does. Exept the PAC and metra units that are vehicle specific.

 

[slowride]

Epicenter!!!!!!!

Not that it will fix roll off, but it does create frequencies one octave lower.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

Epicenter!!!!!!!

Not that it will fix roll off, but it does create frequencies one octave lower.

Does it really? I just need a 20-30hz boost. 🤔. I was just going to pull the trigger on the Axxess Honda piece. But the damn thing is 300$ but it bypasses the factory amp.

 

[slowride]

Epicenters are all the rage in So Cal. Ranchero music coming out the mamalonas if you know what I'm talking about.

My Amp Pro was close to 450 originally, but I think the Nav-TV piece was like $700-800 at the time. I settled on the AmpPro

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

Epicenters are all the rage in So Cal. Ranchero music coming out the mamalonas if you know what I'm talking about.

My Amp Pro was close to 450 originally, but I think the Nav-TV piece was like $700-800 at the time. I settled on the AmpPro

Lol yea I know what you mean. 🤣 my installer was crazy surprised when I said I didn't want an Epicenter. He said...

"pero sin el Epicenter no vas a tener bass guey"

it's crazy how much bass you can get out of a trumpet with the Epicenter.

 

[eltigre]

Lol yea I know what you mean. 🤣 my installer was crazy surprised when I said I didn't want an Epicenter. He said...

"pero sin el Epicenter no vas a tener bass guey"

it's crazy how much bass you can get out of a trumpet with the Epicenter.

Yeah, I was advised that an epicenter would be necessary when I was just adding an amp and sub.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

Guess I got some Epicenter research to do now.

 

[Nemesis87]

Guess I got some Epicenter research to do now.

🤦‍♂️

 

[Uberverbosity]

Guess I got some Epicenter research to do now.

Does an Epicenter do something more than your V12 already does?