Wouldn't the V Twelve DSP work to grab all the summed channels from the factory amp? Not as clean as optical but its definitely doable.
2022 Charger HCWB- Full system
Oh man, you guys really got me in some trouble here. lol
So a few months ago I decided my Charger with the HK upgraded system needed a bass upgrade. I planned to leave everything else as is.
Made an appointment with a local 12v technician and met with him. That very day, I signed up here and made a thread about it. Originally I planned to do a single, GB12 sub and amp with a control knob, eventually that became two GB12"s. Sort of 90's style I guess, I didn't even know what a dsp was.
Since that day, I have been here everyday. I've read thousands of threads, every single new thread created and tried to learn as much as I could. It's still not much but just enough to be dangerous, to my bank account mostly. This is how you all nudged me towards the rabbit hole.
Today, I had another appointment with the tech and jumped right into the rabbit hole, head firstish.
So my project will begin in March. Here is where we are, as a ruff out. Some things may change through the process and I'm cool with that. If so, I'll update here, along with equipment model numbers as I know those specifics. I don't know exactly where and how each component will be installed at this point, but I explicitly trust that it will be done with meticulous care and consideration. Pics will be posted during and after, hopefully that will be helpful for some.
Full Active
Front Stage- Three way, Bonneville Labs Signature Series
Center- BL full range
Rear Fill- Bonneville Labs coaxial
Amp- Helix V12
Control- Conductor
Subs- Two Audiomobile Evo 10's or 12's (Depends on modeling results) in the trunk
Enclosure- Ported, DetailsTBD
Sub Amp- Helix P2
Sound deadening.
I know nothing about the Audiomobile gear. Made sense to back off the cost of the two GB12's that I had originally planned to use for just the bass upgrade when it changed to the entire shooting match.
There is another piece or two of integration equipment that flew past me, will add details. As for now, it sounds like the plan is to attempt to install with optical. That's what I know now, I'll try to keep it up to date if it seems anybody is interested.
Super excited about the process and results. I really do appreciate the generous help and kindness of this community, hope that I'll have some useful input during and after the process.
Thoughts, Advice, Comments, Requests, Insults (lol)?
So a few months ago I decided my Charger with the HK upgraded system needed a bass upgrade. I planned to leave everything else as is.
Made an appointment with a local 12v technician and met with him. That very day, I signed up here and made a thread about it. Originally I planned to do a single, GB12 sub and amp with a control knob, eventually that became two GB12"s. Sort of 90's style I guess, I didn't even know what a dsp was.
Since that day, I have been here everyday. I've read thousands of threads, every single new thread created and tried to learn as much as I could. It's still not much but just enough to be dangerous, to my bank account mostly. This is how you all nudged me towards the rabbit hole.
Today, I had another appointment with the tech and jumped right into the rabbit hole, head firstish.
So my project will begin in March. Here is where we are, as a ruff out. Some things may change through the process and I'm cool with that. If so, I'll update here, along with equipment model numbers as I know those specifics. I don't know exactly where and how each component will be installed at this point, but I explicitly trust that it will be done with meticulous care and consideration. Pics will be posted during and after, hopefully that will be helpful for some.
Full Active
Front Stage- Three way, Bonneville Labs Signature Series
Center- BL full range
Rear Fill- Bonneville Labs coaxial
Amp- Helix V12
Control- Conductor
Subs- Two Audiomobile Evo 10's or 12's (Depends on modeling results) in the trunk
Enclosure- Ported, DetailsTBD
Sub Amp- Helix P2
Sound deadening.
I know nothing about the Audiomobile gear. Made sense to back off the cost of the two GB12's that I had originally planned to use for just the bass upgrade when it changed to the entire shooting match.
There is another piece or two of integration equipment that flew past me, will add details. As for now, it sounds like the plan is to attempt to install with optical. That's what I know now, I'll try to keep it up to date if it seems anybody is interested.
Super excited about the process and results. I really do appreciate the generous help and kindness of this community, hope that I'll have some useful input during and after the process.
Thoughts, Advice, Comments, Requests, Insults (lol)?
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Someone smarter than me can use the input eq to compensate. I have no clue, maybe the ACO can help in this situation. Just trying to keep OP from overbuying equipment.Looks like it could work. Wouldn't all of the factory eq'ing still be in the signal then amplified?
HELIX-V-TWELVE-DSP_MK2_148x210mm_02-12-21_web.pdf (audiotec-fischer.de)
I know Nick had said a while back that he would choose the V Twelve because it was the only piece in the line up to allow full integration with some vehicles that required summing, Bluetooth, navigation prompts and center channels. Made a mental note about his comment/observation but don’t remember what vehicle he was talking about. Land Rover maybe? Who knows, I could be way off as none of my vehicles requires that much integration. My GMC also runs a PAC Amp Pro with optical to a Helix Ultra.
Epicenter!!!!!!!
Not that it will fix roll off, but it does create frequencies one octave lower.
Not that it will fix roll off, but it does create frequencies one octave lower.
Epicenters are all the rage in So Cal. Ranchero music coming out the mamalonas if you know what I'm talking about.
My Amp Pro was close to 450 originally, but I think the Nav-TV piece was like $700-800 at the time. I settled on the AmpPro
My Amp Pro was close to 450 originally, but I think the Nav-TV piece was like $700-800 at the time. I settled on the AmpPro
Report back with your findingsGuess I do have it. 🤔🤭 thanx I'll have to play with it.
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I use the Augmented bass at 31hz though I'll play it lower then take some measurements and see what it does.
The vxi amps look great and no slouches based on size to performance ratio. I think you’ll be quite happy. Although I’d be tempted for a P-Six Ultimate, P-Two, P-One combo. That’s a deadly trio imo
As I’m shoe horning mosconi pros into a truck with little to no room I sometimes wish I went that route.
The P Six Ultimate has a 12 channel dsp. I only used 9 of them in my example. You could change that up to your needs. But I personally love the design of the P series amps. Even as rebuild my current rack for 4 Mosconi Pros, an Atomo 2 and Helix Ultra, I can't help but wish I tried this particular combo from Helix. Less components to mount and find space for; all the same output more or less.Man my mind keeps coming back around to this comment.
How would you lay that out with rear fill and a center channel? P two to the WS8 Multix mid bass. P six ultimate to the tweets, MS3 mids, rear fill and P one to some 2ohm subs? Can you then do something with a virtual channel for the center? Or would this arrangement be better for drivers that are rated for more juice?
Or would I need a P6, M4, P2 arrangement?
I vaguely remember reading that (skizer) Nick would use a V12 when the situation called for it, especially in regards to inputs and integration and not so much outputs. If summing off the factory with bluetooth and navigation requires plus added inputs from an external DAP then those inputs would be required. I've also heard Matt Schaffer on his podcast speak about the V12 and V8 making 75 watts per channel with all channels driven. This number goes up when all channels are not used. For instance using a V12 for 8 channel output. At least that was my limited understanding of how it worked. I could be totally messing that up. That was quoted direct from training at MSC.
Great looking drivers! Please update if you go Audiomobile. Info on these subs is lacking everywhere. They may fit as my subgrade replacement but I need info.
Mostly interested in info as far as the lineup and specs. Neither are present on the website or facebook. As for the lineup, where do the Encore fit in with the new 4K series and the previous GTS and such. Looking for underseat 12s but not shallow. Frog GB12 seems the way to go but I believe Audiomobile might save me an inch of depth.
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