[fuzzysig]

im eyeballing the new alpine type-r because they are the few that have neodymium mags. and pretty light weight

can someone describe how they sound compared to other speakers?

I heard them a while ago back in 2005( whatever type-r were new back then)
and I was not impressed. they sounded like buckets full of tar.
the guy had afull alpine system with amps and everything properly set up
he woke up the neighbors in all the apartments around us but my ears were curling up and were not happy

but they were just not crisp clear like boston pro series for example

 

[WestCo]

im eyeballing the new alpine type-r because they are the few that have neodymium mags. and pretty light weight

can someone describe how they sound compared to other speakers?

I heard them a while ago back in 2005( whatever type-r were new back then)
and I was not impressed. they sounded like buckets full of tar.
the guy had afull alpine system with amps and everything properly set up
he woke up the neighbors in all the apartments around us but my ears were curling up and were not happy

but they were just not crisp clear like boston pro series for example

Personally I would go with budget scan speak drivers over alpine full range drivers.

https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...parent=0&mid=9&search_in=all&search_str=&pg=1

Alpine still sounded pretty muddy to my ears back in 2009...

For sq subs? Hard to beat ID for the price.

 

[fuzzysig]

I was actually referring to 6x9 forgot to specify.

unless theres another neodymium driver besides that bigass tangbang
that's the only one I can find

idealy that's what I want in the rear decklid that's why I was looking at the alpines they did have decent bass even from type-s

or should I go with 2 7inch woofers instead? I can fit 7" driver in there too

 

[mmiller]

im eyeballing the new alpine type-r because they are the few that have neodymium mags. and pretty light weight

can someone describe how they sound compared to other speakers?

I heard them a while ago back in 2005( whatever type-r were new back then)
and I was not impressed. they sounded like buckets full of tar.
the guy had afull alpine system with amps and everything properly set up
he woke up the neighbors in all the apartments around us but my ears were curling up and were not happy

but they were just not crisp clear like boston pro series for example

Blaring it so loud that it's setting car Alarms and waking up neighbours, is hardly a system that sounds like it's "Set-Up" properly.

 

[therapture]

1. Setup, tuning, and install quality is 90% of the game.
2. cheap parts set up properly will outperform high end stuff set up poorly.
3. Type R's would sound great if done properly. The ones you heard, weren't.

 

[fuzzysig]

aaaand here we go with useless comments.
trust me they were setup properly. they were not clipping at that volume. just muddy at any volume and any car I listened to them. last time I listened to them in 2010 or so and they were as muddy as they were in 2006

you base your judgement of their sound on what exactly?
I base my judgement on hours and hours(actually years) of comparing different setups in showrooms where the cabinets are identical for all speakers and ran through same amp and headunit so I can hear the differences that each speaker makes by itself with same exact track and everything else

 

[therapture]

Ohhh ********. You could have that driver in a perfect sealed box, and being that the typical basshead cranks the bass boost and gain up too far, any speaker would sound that way.

I had a cheap ass MTX 12"...sealed and tuned with dsp, it sounded pretty damn good for a $75 speaker.
I have run cheap Infinity mid drivers in several cars...they sound decent when in a decent door and EQ'ed.


And while I am new to the DSP field of just under 2 years, I have been in car audio extensively for 25 years, so yeah, I have some valid input. I stand by it. If those Type R's sounded like ****, they were NOT tuned properly. They probably were running far past normal excursion limits and overgained. Typical of what you described.

 

[fuzzysig]

maybe you missed the part where I said.
they also sounded like **** in the display given same exact chances to sound great as the rest of the speakers on display. yet they sounded like ****.

I guess im gonna have to just go to a store and listen to them. and see if they still sound like typical type-r speaker does or actually have some clarity.
if you think they sound clean and crisp then you should try going to a cartoys or something and spend some time comparing them to other speakers on display


all I hear is probably and would should, maybe bunch of excuses
they have good bass tho I cant argue with that.
I ran mine with no hpf in front doors and people thought I had a sub in the trunk that's why I was interested in those im definitely checking out the 6x9 because clarity really doesn't matter in rear speakers to me
but I was considering component set for the front. but maybe not if they still sound like type-rs from the past

I do have a gooe ear for speakers and proven it many times when I worked as an installer. tuning systems that other installers gave up on or when pretty much every installer told me that the setup wont work then they looked into the cars like wtf did you put different setup in this.

 

[Orion525iT]

1. Setup, tuning, and install quality is 90% of the game.
2. cheap parts set up properly will outperform high end stuff set up poorly.
3. Type R's would sound great if done properly. The ones you heard, weren't.

This seems mostly correct. Willing to bet a system with some inexpensive ass Vifa drivers can sound pretty darn good if set up right.

maybe you missed the part where I said.
they also sounded like **** in the display given same exact chances to sound great as the rest of the speakers on display. yet they sounded like ****.

I guess im gonna have to just go to a store and listen to them. and see if they still sound like typical type-r speaker does or actually have some clarity.
if you think they sound clean and crisp then you should try going to a cartoys or something and spend some time comparing them to other speakers on display


all I hear is probably and would should, maybe bunch of excuses
they have good bass tho I cant argue with that.
I ran mine with no hpf in front doors and people thought I had a sub in the trunk that's why I was interested in those im definitely checking out the 6x9 because clarity really doesn't matter in rear speakers to me
but I was considering component set for the front. but maybe not if they still sound like type-rs from the past

I do have a gooe ear for speakers and proven it many times when I worked as an installer. tuning systems that other installers gave up on or when pretty much every installer told me that the setup wont work then they looked into the cars like wtf did you put different setup in this.

Seems like you need to just make up your mind by yourself. You asked for opinions, you got opinions, and then you give people crap for it? Sorry that it is not the answer you are looking for, but there is no need to come off as an incredulous twat.

BTW your sentence structure and syntax is lacking.

 

[fuzzysig]

and ? you want me to pay for your English tutoring service? thanks bruh.
I asked how they sound. and the above opinions were not even related.
people started ranting about bad installs and sht and finding all kinds of excuses. and you telling that im an *******?
theres one opinion about the speakers and as you can see I didn't say anything bad about it because he actually gave a useful opinion ON TOPIC!!!!
not some random ranting about bad install

 

[YukonXL04]

:snacks:

 

[mechatron]

I had a new 12" type R (in a large ported box) running off a PDX-M12 and I wasn't really impressed. Sure it rattled the **** out of my car on certain songs but I was never happy with the sound it produced.

Since then I've ripped out the Alpine components...apart from the head unit and replaced with amps and subs that are better suited to my ears

If you're after a good set of 6x9s. Focal PC690 speakers are one of the best I've heard. I even had some myself in the parcel shelf but then had to remove them as I needed the space for a custom boot install

 

[therapture]

and ? you want me to pay for your English tutoring service? thanks bruh.
I asked how they sound. and the above opinions were not even related.
people started ranting about bad installs and sht and finding all kinds of excuses. and you telling that im an *******?
theres one opinion about the speakers and as you can see I didn't say anything bad about it because he actually gave a useful opinion ON TOPIC!!!!
not some random ranting about bad install

You have a problem with my answer? What I said was not ranting about install...it was pointing out that they may have been poorly setup/installed/tuned/over-driven/etc.....pick one or more, probably at least two of those were true. Just because some guy had a loud stereo, irritating people, does not mean he knows jackshit. Anybody can throw together a bunch of drivers and power and get loud. Making it sound GOOD is the harder part. And working in a stereo shop means nothing, some of the biggest car audio butchers ever, work at shops.

You asked opinions, I replied with pertinent info, and you got rude. You aren't worth wasting any more time typing with that attitude.

 

[quality_sound]

The Type-R can sound very, very good. Like ANY sub, it is install dependent. You can't come in and ask if a driver is good then complain when you get an answer that mentions install.

Also, your method of testing a bunch of subs in the same enclosure is piss-poor to say the least. As is evaluating a CAR sub in a SHOWROOMS.

I'm really not surprised you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't even know how to properly evaluate what it is you're looking at.


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[Brian Steele]

I had a new 12" type R (in a large ported box) running off a PDX-M12 and I wasn't really impressed. Sure it rattled the **** out of my car on certain songs but I was never happy with the sound it produced.[/quote

I run two of the Type R 12s in my car, in a sealed enclosure, also driven by a PDX-M12. They sound fine and measure better than the Infinity Kappas I had in there before.

The specs say that they can work in a vented box, but with 22mm Xmax on tap, why bother?

 

[fuzzysig]

the rapture. you assume a whole lot of **** in your replies.
and all your rants are just iffs and butts and whole bunch of maybes, possibly, probably, excuses... you didn't give an opinion you gave bunch of worthless assumptions

I know you can make a piss poor system sound decent after a lot of tuning ive done that many times
and is not what im asking. so please keep away from this thread with your possibly probably replies.


and I forgot to mention in first post. im talking about speakers not subs.
I never listened to type-r subs in a good setup so cant speak for that im not much into subs.

 

[ou812]

This seems mostly correct. Willing to bet a system with some inexpensive ass Vifa drivers can sound pretty darn good if set up right.



Seems like you need to just make up your mind by yourself. You asked for opinions, you got opinions, and then you give people crap for it? Sorry that it is not the answer you are looking for, but there is no need to come off as an incredulous twat.

BTW your sentence structure and syntax is lacking.

This right here! You sound somewhat knowledgeable about car audio. Go and decide for yourself. take a listen at a local shop. Type R's are a dime a dozen in shops and big box stores as well. Personally I would never have them in my car but my ears might be different than yours.

 

[therapture]

Then discuss intelligently, and stop spewing FUD. I did state an opinion. That the reason they sounded like ass was probably due to setup/install/tuning. Your testing method of listening to them in showrooms is flawed.

Waste of time talking down to ignorant people like you that just want to get into flame wars. I am done with this thread, have fun.

the rapture. you assume a whole lot of **** in your replies.
and all your rants are just iffs and butts and whole bunch of maybes, possibly, probably, excuses... you didn't give an opinion you gave bunch of worthless assumptions

I know you can make a piss poor system sound decent after a lot of tuning ive done that many times
and is not what im asking. so please keep away from this thread with your possibly probably replies.


and I forgot to mention in first post. im talking about speakers not subs.
I never listened to type-r subs in a good setup so cant speak for that im not much into subs.

 

[fuzzysig]

ok explain to me how its flawed?
again you re back with your probably assumptions that setup is wrong...
tell me how my showroom listening is flawed
lets hear some more of your assumptions therapture

 

[rxonmymind]

This seems mostly correct. Willing to bet a system with some inexpensive ass Vifa drivers can sound pretty darn good if set up right.

Lol. Something's money can't buy and that's experience. An intangible in choosing speakers. Take my case as a point. When I set out to get my system installed I was dead set on replacing the stock three piece components in my 2009 Lexus RX 350. While the 6x9's in the front door would hit pretty decent you could hear them a tick slower than the mid a and tweets. The opposite was true of the mids & tweets. They were very good. But it all sounded disjointed. So willing to spend in some serious cash on some Hertz, HAT etc the dealer told me not to. I was like huh? (How many shops you know will do that?) He asked what I thought of the speakers I had. I told him they sounded laid back, not bright at all and the mid bass was excellent as well as the mids & highs. I didn't get ear fatigue. With his help and a Helix DSP he was able to tie it all together via time alignment which made a HUGE difference to the listening experience. Night & day stuff. It sounds like a very expensive system.
So are my speakers high end? Nope. Just being able to "bring it all together" make a a mediocre system sound very very good.