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I decided to post the start of my SQ build on NASIOC since I have a Subaru. So this guy decides to thread crap on me. I get so annoyed by people like that. Here is the thread. I will post the build over here too when I get a little further. Those in the know ought to post over there and tell him what an idiot he is.

2005 STi Sound Quality Build Log w/ Hybrid Audio & JL Audio - NASIOC
 

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I decided to post the start of my SQ build on NASIOC since I have a Subaru. So this guy decides to thread crap on me. I get so annoyed by people like that. Here is the thread. I will post the build over here too when I get a little further. Those in the know ought to post over there and tell him what an idiot he is.

2005 STi Sound Quality Build Log w/ Hybrid Audio & JL Audio - NASIOC
Schuey is actually a respected member both here and in the car audio community at-large. His response was a bit harsh, but I've often wondered where Buwalda sources his drivers from.

Edit: Good Luck on your install.
 

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From my understanding, his car kicks serious ass in the lanes.
I take nothing from his install abilities. I don't know the guy from anyone but his piss poor judgement on a first post into my build log was uncalled for and unappreciated. You try to show people a nice build and get a thread jack instead. If I had my way we would both delete our posts so it could be the post I intended it to be.
 

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I take nothing from his install abilities. I don't know the guy from anyone but his piss poor judgement on a first post into my build log was uncalled for and unappreciated. You try to show people a nice build and get a thread jack instead. If I had my way we would both delete our posts so it could be the post I intended it to be.
I wouldn't sweat it.
 

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Schuey is actually a respected member both here and in the car audio community at-large. His response was a bit harsh, but I've often wondered where Buwalda sources his drivers from.
Edit: Good Luck on your install.
Well....I don't think he has the respect of all in the car audio community.....;).....I would say the OP has no respect for him.:D

I don't think that was cool to vent on the guys build thread. So, he thinks the HAT drivers are sh_t...so what! Move on. The HAT products are no different than any other car audio brand out there....there is ALWAYS going to be someone that thinks that brand A or B is SH_T! And brand C or D is just as good or better for less money...Yada, Yada, Yada...go tell ya mudda....You don't have to take a BIG ASS DUMP on a guys build thread to vent your SH_T about a brand that you don't like...And it seems that Buwalda has his share of love and hate in the community. I don't think it is possible to have a name in the game if one did not have that!:p:D:laugh:

I am not a HAT fan nor hater but I find it interesting how there is always a brand or product that stirs up the pot....Love them or hate them, the HAT products have made a splash in this BIG ASS car audio pond.

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Well....I don't think he has the respect of all in the car audio community.....;).....I would say the OP has no respect for him.:D

I don't think that was cool to vent on the guys build thread. So, he thinks the HAT drivers are sh_t...so what! Move on. The HAT products are no different than any other car audio brand out there....there is ALWAYS going to be someone that thinks that brand A or B is SH_T! And brand C or D is just as good or better for less money...Yada, Yada, Yada...go tell ya mudda....You don't have to take a BIG ASS DUMP on a guys build thread to vent your SH_T about a brand that you don't like...And it seems that Buwalda has his share of love and hate in the community. I don't think it is possible to have a name in the game if one did not have that!:p:D:laugh:

I am not a HAT fan nor hater but I find it interesting how there is always a brand or product that stirs up the pot....Love them or hate them, the HAT products have made a splash in this BIG ASS car audio pond.

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That was exactly my point!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not a Rockford fan but I don't go crapping on every Rockford product I see used. I really don't have that much time! Nor is it my business.
 

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Dude your like kid that tells his mom somebody bullied you in school in this case you go to a different forum to get HELP.

To all the members here theres nothing new to this topic and if you got offended on what i've said then theres nothing else i can do.Lets move on to next topic please ;)
 

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Thoughts on 11 world championships ? :p:laugh:

The drivers >

Just for beginners the one you listed uses a Poly cone and a stamped basket. Scotts is a cast frame, has coated paper cone and is a 4 Ohm driver. It is not designed for sealed enclosures as it is a Infinite Baffle design. Go on diymobileaudio.com and tell all of the people there that use this driver how they could buy a $12.00 driver and produce the same results.
 

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Dude your like kid that tells his mom somebody bullied you in school in this case you go to a different forum to get HELP.

To all the members here theres nothing new to this topic and if you got offended on what i've said then theres nothing else i can do.Lets move on to next topic please ;)
You can delete your posts from my build log so it can be just that not a a ***** fest for your i'll will toward scott b. I have nothing to do with that. You put me on the defensive by ****ting on my thread. Why the **** you thought you needed to poke your head in there I don't know.

As far as being the kid that tells his mommy. I am telling you right to your face. If you lived here in town I'd tell you in person. I even linked this on NASIOC so you have a chance to defend yourself.

I still haven't seen any proof nor has anyone here defended you. The intent of this post was to see if anyone here would back up your claims. People have said you are a respected member. Thats great and all but still doesn't give anything toward your comments. It would be different if I started a thread that asked what people thought of the L8. Then your comments would have merit although still unfounded.

Guess what NO ONE DID.

Do me a favor and delete your posts on Nasioc so I don't have to let that thread die and start a new one. All I want is a clean thread.
 

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People tend to act a bit different from place to place, but, being one of the people that keep the audio area of NASIOC up and running, day in and day out, I can say that the knowledge base there is far far less than here...

Now AFA schuey_1, I can't say, bad day maybe? He's normally not like that...

However, if you guys are gonna slog both DIYMA and NASIOC through this mud, I will say Schuey DID in fact edit 2 key posts in the nasioc thread... Usually you can look at the edits bit I can't, so I will have to say that they were edited to cover some sort of ignorance... Post 5 and 10...

Not knowing what was edited, can't say either way, but it sounds like a bleeding Vage on both sides...
 

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Look guys, sourcing drivers is a little bit like buying hamburgers. There are thousands of factories that build speakers in Asia. For us, only three or four meet our standards of quality and reliability. In any case, some are like McDonalds--they sell the same speakers to everyone and some are like Fuddruckers--you get a healthy piece of meat and a bunch of fresh toppings you can apply as you like. The quality of the driver you get from the McDonalds-like supplier is easy to determine--you can just look at the thousands of other drivers they build to understand precisely what you get. These "burgers" are less costly because there isn't significant engineering to be done--they turn them out one after the other and they're all nearly the same.

If you buy the driver from the Fuddruckers-like supplier, you either pay them to engineer the driver according to your spec or you do the engineering and they just build it. Many companies choose to do something in-between, relying on the manufacturer's engineers for as much work as possible and taking up the slack with your own engineers in cases where the spec pushes the manufacturer out of his range of competence.

Almost everyone sources speakers in Asia and the quality can be damn good. It can also suck, but if you're sourcing stuff from other companies, you have to bear the responsibility of quality control. You can do it yourself or you can pay the manufacturer to do it. Quality isn't free in speaker sourcing, in speaker installation or in hamburgers.

Many speaker manufacaturers have great engineers, but some don't. There are catalogs of standard parts and many of the best speakers are simply the results of makiing the right choices in the use of standard parts with a few tweaks. Because the speaker looks like another one doesn't mean it's the same. Especially in midrange speakers and tweeters. Small changes to cone or dome geometry can make huge differences in sound--and those are tweaks you won't see in a cell phone picture or find adequately documented in some brand-lover's rant about a brand he sees as a competitor.

If you want great speakers, buy them from a company with great engineers, whether those engineers are employees of the brand or the manufacturer. For consumers, it's much easier to determine whether the brand is well-equipped in the engineering department than it is to determine the technical acumen of the manufacturer.

Ask the brand how they develop speakers. If they do it the right way, they'll be happy to explain. If they do it the wrong way, they'll feed you some long winded BS about passion and art and wine and cheese and love and a bunch of materials you've never heard of but they'll never offer real documentation and you'll never see any real innovation from them.

The experience you have listening to music through speakers may be similar to drinking great wine and eating the best cheese, but the speaker isn't the wine, it's the wine glass. The music is the wine and cheese. Artists make great music, artisans make great food. Engineers and factories design and make great speakers.

As Dr. Toole used to say, audio electronics engineering is "science in the service of art".
 
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