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Confirm my bias. Even with Harman House curve some recordings are still bright

2.8K views 11 replies 8 participants last post by  BobTheBirdTurd  
#1 ·
I prefer the Harman/JBL house curve to tune with and then tweak a few areas here and there afterwards. To me that sounds good and is fun to listen to, but I've noticed some recordings ( especially some 90's Rock albums) still sound overly bright/hot and can be fatiguing. Metallica (Black album) to me sounds bright and way too forward in treble and some claim they think this was one of the best sounding hard rock/metal albums ever. Here is a Faith No More track "Midlife Crisis" that has some decent mixing and gets some things right but still to my ears even with a Harman curve still is a bit too hot and forward.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X9vKNnSI1Jc&pp=ygURTWlkbGlmZSBjcmlzaXMgSFE%3D
This brightness seems to be common with 90s rock albums. Was this to make up for stereo equipment in that era having limited upper extension?
 
#2 ·
May just have a bright system?

I have studio monitors that are very flat and accurate, and very expensive, for mixing and mastering in a sound treated room. they are also bright and fatiguing, but for mixing , I can hear what I need , to mix.
In the car I run morels. They are a more fun sound, not fatiguing, and as many say laid back, In overall tone.
It’s an overall tone , that is more enjoyable to listen to,
Even if not as accurate.
some say dsp can make any driver sound like anything?

I really do not think that is the case.
A metal dome and a soft dome have fundamental differences.
And I don’t think processing changes that.

regardless, a bright and upper mid bright system is usually pretty flat frequency response wise, it’s not a sound most people like. But it does have its place.

just my take.
 
#3 ·
What drivers do you have? Some of the older rock isn't well recorded, speakers with lots of detail will bring out all the flaws and make it sound like poo. It's one of the reason I chose the drivers I have and always prefer silk tweeters.
 
#4 ·
Running the AF tweaked Harman curve . I do find it bright on some recordings , but put that down to the Focal K2s tweeters. But then again, I like the detail.
Had some ribbon tweeters a few years back in the wife’s car. They where next level bright. Great detail , but on closely micd female voices I’d just cringe.

My take on this is drivers have a larger influence on brightness than target curve.
 
#9 ·
Running the AF tweaked Harman curve . I do find it bright on some recordings , but put that down to the Focal K2s tweeters. But then again, I like the detail.
Had some ribbon tweeters a few years back in the wife’s car. They where next level bright. Great detail , but on closely micd female voices I’d just cringe.

My take on this is drivers have a larger influence on brightness than target curve.
I'm running Scan speak Beryllium
D3004/6040-00's

Next level detail and transparency. On Some recordings there is absolutely no substitute but on others that get a number of things right with bass and midrange the top end with lesser than tweeters will sound a bit chuffy, but the berylliums will sound a bit more forward. I've owned soft domes and hard domes from numerous build houses. To my ears the SEAS and SCANSPEAK beryllium domes somehow offer the best compromise of smoothness and detail that most hard/soft domes seem to lack in....It always seems to come down to that crucial frequency range of 2k-15k that tweeters encompass....
 
#5 ·
The Harman curve, 1) is just bad. But its biggest thing is that it is mostly just low on bass and has a very odd low-end shape. Try going with more low end, and lowering the "knee" in frequency. But yes, even then, sometimes it can be a bit bright at higher volumes, but this comes down to your measurement technique. If you are taking an rta average with a single mic around your head, you may find that you need to cut 1.6-5khz in varying amounts.
 
#7 ·
Download this track list and go through it.

 
#10 ·
if you have too bright sound you can do a few things to sort that out - Use different house curve , retune system, make sure speakers are in phase with other speakers in the system, use EQ in 1,5-5kHz or make gap between mid and tweeter. If you use shallow slopes, then you can make gap up to an octave between mid and tweeter, or test with different mid speaker orientation...