I don't know about your system buy mine sounds like a concert hall on wheels. It's not the deck, I have the same one. But I also have a $20,000 set up. This deck is as good as my F1 status I had although not quality wise but sounds just as good.Update 11/17/12
After owning the DEX for 9 months I did something with it today that I had never done before- ran an autotune with automatic network. Why did I do it? Well here are some answers-
1) After 9 months I am still adjusting everything on the fly- tonality, levels, crossovers, time alignment, etc. and I am tired of it. I have a very nice sounding tune and stage- but it does not work for all music- and when I adjust for one (e.g. a bass heavy recordig) everything else sounds poor and vice versa. I want to run the DEX version of a nice tune and commit to it for a while. I am hoping for a nice sweet spot.
2) I read somewhere that the auto network autotune can actually sound better than a custom network tune. Since I had done many custom network autotones and was never happy, i decided to give the auto network autotune a try.
3) Since first installing it last February, I have upgraded every driver in my car to the point where I am satisfied with their quality- and have upgraded the door sealing and deadening as well.
4) I have a hunch that the autotune can generate a more refined EQ than the 31 band graphic can- that it may be continuously variable for for frequency and Q- such that it may smooth out some bass "valleys" in my RTA plots as well as eliminate the touchy midbass resonance I experience from time to time.
5) I just felt like it.
So how are the results? In a word bizarre but very pleasing. I definitely got rid of the midbass resonance issue. The bass is less powerful but the tones sound like tones- very realistic- . the midrange is more up front and dominant but with my new drivers there is a very pleasing clarity and tonality that I did not have before. again, a realism. the image and time alignment are not perfect but so far a little better than my best efforts.
now for the bizarre part- the crossovers and slopes. lets just say that i (nor likely anyone else) would have ever picked some of these crossover points. it plays my HAT midbass all the way to 8Khz and crosses my L3SE midrange at 8K as well- but with a shallow 12db slope. very bizarre. it crossed my sub at 63Hz but with a very shallow 12 db slope.
I played a variety of music and every song sounded good, some very good, and i will continue running this way for a while.
I sure hope i am through ghucking around with it for a while.
I don't disagree with you but for some reason (for me) the RTA does not tell a very complete picture with respect to sound quality. In other words the sound can be very different yet the RTA 6 position averages will only reveal slight changes to the curve depending on EQ settings. I can manhandle certain bands of the EQ and sometimes it does not even show up on the RTA for some reason yet the sound you hear is much different.Autotune does nothing that you can't do yourself. Pioneer tech support said that two years ago when I asked that very same question. My conclusion is that both auto TA and EQ suck in 4-way mode. The EQ was horrible in my car. It EQed the crap out of my mids and everything sounded muddy. Some had luck with it, others didn't. Personally, I haven't heard any auto function that manages to EQ right so far. Alpines imprint was good at TA but the EQ was horrible there too.
EQ from measurements are quite easy nowadays. Doesn't take more than a hour or so with a dual 31b GEQ. Apps like RoomEQ makes it user friendly and quick to measure and interpret the data.
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The autotune does not average anything at the listening position. It's pretty inaccurate in setting a equal EQ left-right.I don't disagree with you but for some reason (for me) the RTA does not tell a very complete picture with respect to sound quality. In other words the sound can be very different yet the RTA 6 position averages will only reveal slight changes to the curve depending on EQ settings. I can manhandle certain bands of the EQ and sometimes it does not even show up on the RTA for some reason yet the sound you hear is much different.
The autotune I ran was not acceptable because my rear passives (on the low channel) were interpreted to be the woofers and band passed them from 63 Hz to 1600 Hz. My front midbass drivers were interpreted to be the midrange, so my front speakers were only playing from 1600 Hz and up! HOWEVER, there was something very different and pleasing about the sound. The vocals and midrange came forward and up in the mix. they were too buried before.
So I measured the response with an RTA (very flat BTW with a gradual downward trend through the octaves). Then I revised the crossovers to something more approproiate for my setup, adjusted levels to get close to the curve, then did some additional EQ cuts and now I have somewhat mimicked the autotune curve but with all speakers playing their appropriate frequency ranges. After one CD i am encouraged by the results. The midrange vocal clarity is improved tremendously. The T/A image is also very good. Bass may be a little thin- but this is a new shift for my preferences and a reset in sound quality. We'll see how it goes.
Also, I can't get my volume past 35 unless I stand outside the car. Sound pressure level is too much past that.Has anyone figured out at what volume the p99rs clips at. I think I can start to hear some distortion around 57. Right now I usually run the deck at 51 or so.