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I need help with a gaming PC. It's my son's I bought a few years ago and now he's wanting me to buy another one he claims the one I bought is outdated and he can't play the new stuff. My questions are would I be cheaper to upgrade what I have or just buy a new one? Please help guys I don't know anything about it!
Thanks, Shannon

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@BobTheBirdTurd I really don't have a budget, I don't want to spend what I can buy a new one for. How's 800-1k would that get it back to date? This is a different language to me I don't know anything about it my son is a senior he claims to know about it and definitely knows more than me but I'd like to get whatever you'll recommend to get it going. Thanks for all your help.
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What resolution and refresh rate is the monitor?

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Ok - so in order to run 1080p at Ultra with anything over 60-80 frames per second you are gonna need a current gen Video Card. Since the Monitor is "FreeSync" (an AMD technology) sticking with AMD video cards will mean the most compatibility and you the Omen is already AMD anyway so it makes sense to stay AMD.

Even the most recent GTX4070 can't support 1080p Ultra at 240 fps so here goes... but using FreeSync and locking fps at something like 120 (the human eye can't distinguish anything faster than about 60 and 24 is the standard for frame rate at movie theaters) and keeping VSync enabled usually results in the best gaming experience.

You currently have the RX5500 4GB and the newest version is the RX 7900 XTX 20GB which is around $1200 by itself but if you take one step down to the RX 6950 XT (which is actually better than the RX 7900 XT Ultra) then you cut that price in half... they are all here on the same page so you can see the prices: XFX Speedster Merc ...BUT... you current Omen only has a 600W power supply and the 6950 recommends an 800W so without upgrading the power supply you are going to be stuck at the 5000 Series. So you have to upgrade the power supply (the easiest upgrade you will do - plug & play.) And this will get you to RDNA2 and being able to use Ray Tracing.

So in agreement with @BobTheBirdTurd start with a new M.2 SSD: Samsung 980 Pro = $220
Then 4 x 16GB SDRAM Upgrade: GSkill RipJaw Black = $170 (you might find something better, but the HyperX RGB that's currently in the Omen is out of stock, and you need to ask him if he cares more about the RGB lightning or ultimate speed cause you save a few bucks not having the lighting on the RAM.)

Then decide if you want to spend ~$115-150 to upgrade the Power Supply: Corsair RM850e
So you can run the $700 RX6950 XT
Total = $845
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Post above by @daloudin is great, detailed and makes sense, yet I’d adjust that build it. Why? Well 64GB is really overkil, that’s workstation amount of RAM, 32GB is more than enough even for current games at 4K, better IMO to search for faster 4x8GB. About SSD, well if current 256GB doesn’t limit that much, then going over 1TB surely isn’t necessary. I’m doing fine with just 500GB. So we can cut quite a few bucks without any real disadvantages. Vsync, FreeSync etc. Aren’t good for games like CoD, as those increase input latency, fine for role play games, but bad for first person shooters, especially in online mode.
While I agree with all of this it has been my SOP to do 64GB and have the capability to do Sync for gamers who get into streaming on Twitch and YouTube so when they stream NFS:Unbound or Forza they get the highest quality stream. But, yes, in PvP online battles the suggestion to disable all that for the least lag is always a good idea.

Which brings up another point to consider. Do you already have him on a hardwired LAN connection at 1Gbps with the latest network drivers to minimize Ping times and jitter?

Edit: the question about M.2 size for me is to never skimp unless you have to... my current gaming system has over 12TB of storage and my 8th grade son can fill it up if I let him (GamePass Ultimate) but you also have 3 M.2 Headers in the Omen (if I read the specs correctly) so make sure you keep the current WD Black and add it as a second drive to whatever 980 Pro you add as primary.

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@daloudin clearly just doesn't know car audio. I cannot disagree with anything in his post, it's sound advice. As the other 2 posters have mentioned, a 2TB NVMe and 64GB of RAM may be a bit overkill, but those 2 items don't add much to the cost, you could maybe save $100 by going 1TB and 32GB which would be plenty for this rig to live out the next couple years. At that point, the CPU and motherboard will need to be put out to pasture. One reason I would do a smaller NVMe as smaller drives perform better than larger ones, you won't notice the difference unless you are running bench marks, but there is and IO difference.

For those saying buy faster memory, that's all fine and dandy when you have a custom motherboard that is rated for higher than standard speeds. 3200 memory is what that memory is designed to run at, anything over that and it's overclocked. For stability, I would stick with 3200.

For GPU, I agree with sticking with AMD.

Unless you have skills with reloadin your OS, I would pick up one of these so that we can clone your drive to the new one. This will make it easy to the do the drive swap. If you don't know to do this, I will make you a guide or walk though using a free program called Macrium.

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Type...aWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl&th=1
@BobTheBirdTurd he's got multiple M.2 headers so he can clone without the adapter.

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FWIW - I'm the Subject Matter Expert at work for Workstation Hardware and Performance running 9,680 x 4,320 pixel workspace (Quad 4K 32" Monitors) and the Video Wall (9 x 1080p Samsung 60s in a 3 x 3 array that we're currently upgrading to a 4 x 4 array of 1080p 46" screens with Triple Radeon Pro Video Cards in one workstation so we can stream 4 x 4K to the Wall.)

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He was looking to stay under $1K, so you might want to drop to a 6800XT, I picked one up from Microcenter last week for $512.

6800XT has great price-to-performance.
Correct - here's the passmark G3D results for both and the OP can make that decision.
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And here's G3D / $ comparison where they're closer than I thought...
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So the 4 items @daloudin listed for 1235.00 is that my best bet? Is that all I need? If so will the computer be back to date and able to play any games?
Thanks for all the help.
Thanks, Shannon

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That is as far as I would push that motherboard and processor. These components will take you as far as that system can go and as mentioned should be good till PCIe v5 or the next iteration of Bus technology comes out in the next 2-3 years.

And I would expect a nudge to 1440p or 4K on the monitor before another upgrade for the system.

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Before you do the drive swap, I can walk you through the cloning process before you take anything apart or even crack the case open. You will need a product call Macrium Reflect. You can get the free trial and it will work for what your trying to do.
Macrium is fine and especially if @BobTheBirdTurd is willing to walk you thru the process but I just wanted to point out that Samsung drives come with their own "Samsung Data Migration" software as well.

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There is no fine line between gaming thermal management (all about RGB and looks) and the chasm to real heat management in a mission critical application. I'm brutally honest with my clients that if you want something to put on display there are other builders more suited to that and optimizing the fragile balance between looks and performance. Some of the most stable builds I've been involved with used old Dell Precision Workstations with their cheesy plastic shrouds and updated fans and dedicated pwm controllers. Noisy and requires frequent clean outs to keep dust mitigated but they work.

DGMW - I'll be the 1st one to geek out over a glowing water cooled rig but Amazon has really watered down the quality of components and it takes dedication to get it right.

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I remember seeing a few rigs like that.

When I got into PC modding for a time water cooling was starting to take off.

Water cooling was difficult to do and leaks were common. Now you can buy an AIO and be done.

Do you remember the mineral oil PCs? I think some still build them.

When I did dabble in water cooling my go-to place was Performace PC

For modding Bit-tech was my go-to place for inspiration.

After reading this thread I popped over there to see if the site still exists and it does. The build there is still awesome.

The mineral oil builds are scary - the pumps are higher pressure contributing to leaks and depending on the purity of the oil you use some of them were proven to have a flash point under 500⁰ F and contributed to some serious fires.

My last actively cooled build was a combination of peltier devices and water cooling and when it worked correctly could keep massively OC'd CPU and GPU Temps in the single digit Celsius range but if you didn't push the system hard enough they would get so cold that frost developed on the backplane which created condensation and all kinds of problems. Ended up being way more trouble than it was worth.

Way more invested in building silent passively cooled systems now. No dust, no noise and unless you game competitively no heat problems.

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Interestingly, Linus from Linus tech tips did a review of a Peltier CPU cooler; it didn't do so well.

Intel makes a product that regulates the temp to prevent freezing.

Here is a cool master using the Intel Cryo Tech
Yeah - the one we built was massive overkill created before calculating the dissipation required so it was a SNAFU. It can be done and the tech has come a long way since then...

We used propylene glycol and a dedicated head exchanger - once we removed the peltier devices the water cooling was more than adequate.

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