DiyMobileAudio.com Car Stereo Forum banner

21 - 40 of 1709 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
876 Posts
Well, if it's the elderly and people with immune system issues that are the ones that are really at risk from this virus (which seems to be the case), shouldn't it be those people (and the people that interact with them) that really need to practice "social distancing"? If young healthy people aren't as impacted by the virus, then why does the entire world need to shut down? If you get it, you get sick and get over it relatively quickly - just like the flu (and we don't stop life for the flu). If the people that are truly at risk practice "social distancing", then the other people moving around and living their life shouldn't pose a significant issue to them, correct?

Do we really need to shut everything down because of the VERY small minority of people that are really at risk? Yes, it's unfortunate for them, but as well all know, life isn't fair.

In other words, why should the 99%+ of people that aren't at any serious risk have to stop living life because of the less than 1% of people that are at risk? Again, as long as the people at risk (and those that interact with them) practice "social distancing", then we should be good, right?

Calling someone an "asshole" just because they are living life normally is a bit much... They aren't hurting anyone if the people that are truly at risk are doing what they need to do to avoid the virus.

At least that's how I see it. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,608 Posts
give me a break, 2009 swine flu killed over 12,500 in the US in its 1st year. comparing 2019 to to todays COVID is not fair. less than 100 in the US have died. Italy has lost about 1000 to COVID, still less than the flu. i didn't say italy blew anything up for political reasons but if you cant see it being used politically in the US than you are in denial
So you are comparing an entire year's (or more) numbers to a couple of months. Try and look up the first couple of months of H1N1 and you will see similar numbers. There is something call exponents in math and in we learned about them in grade school. Exponential growth and slowing it down is why all this is happening. You can keep the death rate lower IF people have access to the care they need and Hospitals can deal with the number of incoming patients. Plain and simple, if we all get it at the same time, the percentage that die goes way up.

Seems like the Republicans and Democrats are using common sense. Our Republican Governor is shutting everything down.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,671 Posts
Well, if it's the elderly and people with immune system issues that are the ones that are really at risk from this virus (which seems to be the case), shouldn't it be those people (and the people that interact with them) that really need to practice "social distancing"? If young healthy people aren't as impacted by the virus, then why does the entire world need to shut down? If you get it, you get sick and get over it relatively quickly - just like the flu (and we don't stop life for the flu). If the people that are truly at risk practice "social distancing", then the other people moving around and living their life shouldn't pose a significant issue to them, correct?

Do we really need to shut everything down because of the VERY small minority of people that are really at risk? Yes, it's unfortunate for them, but as well all know, life isn't fair.

In other words, why should the 99%+ of people that aren't at any serious risk have to stop living life because of the less than 1% of people that are at risk? Again, as long as the people at risk (and those that interact with them) practice "social distancing", then we should be good, right?

Calling someone an "asshole" just because they are living life normally is a bit much... They aren't hurting anyone if the people that are truly at risk are doing what they need to do to avoid the virus.

At least that's how I see it. :)
How do the heath care workers social distance themselves from the elderly in nursing homes? if you are paying attention, the goal here is to SLOW the transmission to the rate that it can be managed.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
876 Posts
How do the heath care workers social distance themselves from the elderly in nursing homes? if you are paying attention, the goal here is to SLOW the transmission to the rate that it can be managed.
They don't - but they are in the category of the people that are "regularly in contact" with the elderly and/or people with weak immune systems - so they obviously should try and limit exposure to others so that they don't get the virus and pass it on to those that are at high risk. I clearly stated in my post that people that are elderly, people with weak immune systems and people that are regularly in contact with those people should limit exposure to others.

But that is a very small percentage of people - there are a LOT of other people that are NOT regularly in contact with the elderly or people with weakened immune systems - I see no reason for everything to close down because of the small percentage of people that are truly considered "high risk" (and/or those that come in contact with them) - obviously, I have to keep saying that since it was missed.

Again, my point is that the people that are really at risk (and the people that regularly come in contact with those people) are the people that should be practicing "social distancing". If that is done, then those people should be protected while the rest of the world can continue living and producing. For everyone to just stop doing everything and close everything is causing MAJOR issues for so many when it's just not needed.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,671 Posts
They don't - but they are in the category of the people that are "regularly in contact" with the elderly and/or people with weak immune systems - so they obviously should try and limit exposure to others so that they don't get the virus and pass it on to those that are at high risk. I clearly stated in my post that people that are elderly, people with weak immune systems and people that are regularly in contact with those people should limit exposure to others.

But that is a very small percentage of people - there are a LOT of other people that are NOT regularly in contact with the elderly or people with weakened immune systems - I see no reason for everything to close down because of the small percentage of people that are truly considered "high risk" (and/or those that come in contact with them) - obviously, I have to keep saying that since it was missed.

Again, my point is that the people that are really at risk (and the people that regularly come in contact with those people) are the people that should be practicing "social distancing". If that is done, then those people should be protected while the rest of the world can continue living and producing. For everyone to just stop doing everything and close everything is causing MAJOR issues for so many when it's just not needed.
But you are missing my point. Lets say by your vision of how the world works, if 80% of the populations catches this and recovers then they can continue as if its just the flu. And maybe that is how it will be once we have a vaccine for this. But until that vaccine is available, i feel me must do everything in our power to slow the spread RIGHT NOW. If that seems like an over reaction then it is because of people who are going to ignore it. Lets not be Italy, we say America is GREAT, lets be great and do what we can to help get us to the other side.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
876 Posts
But you are missing my point. Lets say by your vision of how the world works, if 80% of the populations catches this and recovers then they can continue as if its just the flu. And maybe that is how it will be once we have a vaccine for this. But until that vaccine is available, i feel me must do everything in our power to slow the spread RIGHT NOW. If that seems like an over reaction then it is because of people who are going to ignore it. Lets not be Italy, we say America is GREAT, lets be great and do what we can to help get us to the other side.
We'll have to agree to disagree. We fundamentally disagree on the scope and impact of the virus in healthy people. I don't think anywhere NEAR 80% of the population would catch this first of all, but even if they do, they get sick and then get better relatively quickly. The amount of damage done by bringing the world to a halt may be worse and have longer lasting impacts than healthy people just risking getting sick. This is going to destroy many small businesses, bring airlines and other huge businesses to their knees and even people that live paycheck to paycheck will all of the sudden will have no income.

I personally have never gotten the flu vaccine until I started being forced to for work a few years ago - and guess what, I never got the flu either. There are TONS of people that don't get the flu vaccine and yet we live life without bringing the world to a halt because of the flu. This would be no different.

Hell, by comparison, over 10,500 people die from alcohol-related car accidents EVERY YEAR in the US - that is not even counting alcohol-related illnesses - and it costs us over $40 billion annually - yet we keep selling alcohol and nobody is up in arms over that. But we're freaking out over this, which will have MUCH less of an impact. Just like people stocking up on toilet paper, it makes no sense.

If the healthy people want to risk getting sick, so be it - that should be their decision. If you want to live in fear of a virus that gives you less-than-flu-like symptoms and stop your life completely because of it, go for it - that should be your decision as well - but we should not be mandating that entire businesses have to close up and healthy people stop living their life. It's destroying peoples lives that would not be destroyed otherwise.

But as I said, we'll have to agree to disagree - otherwise we'll go back and forth forever. I'll give you the last word. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,671 Posts
We'll have to agree to disagree. We fundamentally disagree on the scope and impact of the virus in healthy people. I don't think anywhere NEAR 80% of the population would catch this first of all, but even if they do, they get sick and then get better relatively quickly. The amount of damage done by bringing the world to a halt may be worse and have longer lasting impacts than healthy people just risking getting sick. This is going to destroy many small businesses, bring airlines and other huge businesses to their knees and even people that live paycheck to paycheck will all of the sudden will have no income.

I personally have never gotten the flu vaccine until I started being forced to for work a few years ago - and guess what, I never got the flu either. There are TONS of people that don't get the flu vaccine and yet we live life without bringing the world to a halt because of the flu. This would be no different.

Hell, by comparison, over 10,500 people die from alcohol-related car accidents EVERY YEAR in the US - that is not even counting alcohol-related illnesses - and it costs us over $40 billion annually - yet we keep selling alcohol and nobody is up in arms over that. But we're freaking out over this, which will have MUCH less of an impact. Just like people stocking up on toilet paper, it makes no sense.

If the healthy people want to risk getting sick, so be it - that should be their decision. If you want to live in fear of a virus that gives you less-than-flu-like symptoms and stop your life completely because of it, go for it - that should be your decision as well - but we should not be mandating that entire businesses have to close up and healthy people stop living their life. It's destroying peoples lives that would not be destroyed otherwise.

But as I said, we'll have to agree to disagree - otherwise we'll go back and forth forever. I'll give you the last word. :)
I also have never had a flu shot and have never had the flu. I'm 59. So at 59 i am close to the age of being harder hit by this virus than someone in their 20's. I just drove back to Vermont from Florida so thats maybe 6 gas station visits, a few fast food joints, a hotel room, a large grocery shop and several bathrooms over a 36 hour period of time. I personally don't want infected people wondering around the world contaminating all those spaces so that it becomes normal for me to have to worry about hand sanitizing 25 times a day. Also my wife runs 9 nursing homes. Wanna come sit in on some of those phone calls while she tries to mitigate this? So yeah stay home when its advised and lets come together as a country to at least try and slow this down. if we do that, small businesses will be fine. We will still need restaurants and stores in a couple of months.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Holmz

·
Registered
Joined
·
504 Posts
Has anyone ever had a elderly loved one with a respiratory disease/illness? Well I have. My mom had a respiratory disease that she literally could have died from at any time if she even got a common cold. And she did get colds and from guess who. Yep the health care officials/nurses/doctors that were providing her care. Almost every time she did get a cold she had to go to the hospital and fight for her life.

Health care officials CANNOT avoid viruses, flu, colds etc. To accomplish that they would have to go to the top of some mountain and isolate from humanity completely. It's just not realistic. To ask society to sit home, stop working etc and let the stock market crash, let big (and small) businesses fail, infrastructure crumble and put our country in a self inflicted recession is about the dumbest thing I ever heard any fool say....Again, we're at 85 deaths now in the US. Let's say we get to 1000 by the end of the yr. Hell let's say 5000. There are hundreds of things that kill way more people than that every year. Instead of everyone saying let's stop our lives and self isolate we should be saying stop doing business with China. The 85 deaths aren't from people not self isolating, they're from the Chinese that has given the world 2 pandemics now. And more to come.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
507 Posts
The idea behind social distancing is to slow the spread of the disease so that the healthcare system is not overloaded. Instead of a million people showing up at the hospital in the last week of march we want 100,000 thousand people a week showing up at the hospital for 10 weeks. This way there is plenty of room to treat them.

Don't underestimate this virus.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,671 Posts
Has anyone ever had a elderly loved one with a respiratory disease/illness? Well I have. My mom had a respiratory disease that she literally could have died from at any time if she even got a common cold. And she did get colds and from guess who. Yep the health care officials/nurses/doctors that were providing her care. Almost every time she did get a cold she had to go to the hospital and fight for her life.

Health care officials CANNOT avoid viruses, flu, colds etc. To accomplish that they would have to go to the top of some mountain and isolate from humanity completely. It's just not realistic. To ask society to sit home, stop working etc and let the stock market crash, let big (and small) businesses fail, infrastructure crumble and put our country in a self inflicted recession is about the dumbest thing I ever heard any fool say....Again, we're at 85 deaths now in the US. Let's say we get to 1000 by the end of the yr. Hell let's say 5000. There are hundreds of things that kill way more people than that every year. Instead of everyone saying let's stop our lives and self isolate we should be saying stop doing business with China. The 85 deaths aren't from people not self isolating, they're from the Chinese that has given the world 2 pandemics now. And more to come.
There is a flu shot to help slow the spread of Influenza.There is no flu shot for corona. And i think the worst case scenario here is 1.7 million deaths...not 5000. And i agree that we need to do more in terms of breaking our addiction to China. And i think the country can survive a month or two of some form of shelter in place.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
504 Posts
5000 people have tested positive in 3 months (85 deaths). For shits and grins let's multiply it by 10 for the next 3 months. That's 50,000 nationwide. Now 80-90% of that 50,000 having mild symptoms or no symptoms at all and will not require hospital care. Stop panicking.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
5000 people have tested positive in 3 months (85 deaths). For shits and grins let's multiply it by 10 for the next 3 months. That's 50,000 nationwide. Now 80-90% of that 50,000 having mild symptoms or no symptoms at all and will not require hospital care. Stop panicking.
The globalists NEED us to panic. Look at all the globalist problems this Chinese born virus has fixed....

Political uprising across China: fixed that...

A strong US economy letting us be tough on trade with China: Fixed that...

A strong US economy almost guaranteeing a Trump (not a globalist) reelection: they are hoping they fixed that....

Everyone scared to go out and vote in the primaries to help the elites push out Bernie and make sure more of the same old Cronies is what we get.

Plenty of talking points for a take over of our healthcare system by even the moderate democrats (socialists) who are HOPING the virus is horrible here to take us one step closer to their utopia.

The media can't wait for mass Hysteria because they will ACTUALLY have some NEWS that they don't have to fabricate or twist to fit a narrative.

Distracted driving, drunk driving, obesity, and 100 other things we don't shut down society over will all kill more people than this virus will.

The hospital's will only be overwhelmed because the media has told everyone to over react. If the message was "This is a particularly strong version of the common cold if you are ELDERLY OR SICK ALREADY so take precautions and if you are ELDERLY and feel sick go to the hospital. Everyone else treat this like the flu and stay home from work."

The elites that have run our country and profited off selling it off bit by bit for the last 50 years to China are losing control. Trump last election despite EVERY EFFORT from both parties. All the Democrats I know wanted Bernie last time and still do this time but somehow bumbling Biden is winning. They are losing their monopoly and I feel this is all too conveniently timed to just be a coincidence. They want to see how the sheeple react to a little "extra control of their lives" so they can judge how to keep their cabals when "we the people" decide we are done with them.

Time will tell... but I am far from the only person that feels this is the case.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
846 Posts
Discussion Starter #33
Okay, since I started this thread, I guess I need to respond. First off, everyone has their opinions, and it will do no good to bash each other. From a personal standpoint, I think each side has some very good, valid points on the matter.
I used to be a correctional officer for 3 years. So when I first heard the phrase "lock down" it struck me as 1000% bad ! Like WTF ? So are we going to sit and starve to death in our own houses ? Well, in the US, no :) I promise you, "lock down" means something completely different in our ef'ing awesome "free, democratic society" ! This is NOT China, where "lock down" means, you stay in your house, or you will be freaking shot down. It just means only essential ventures should be carried out. Like 1 head of the household goes out for food, medications, or anything that lives depend on... maybe a couple times a week.... And this would likely only be needed for 2-4 weeks.

Yea', I'm in relatively good health, good immune system, not "too old"... and I am really not too worried about dying from the Corona Virus "even if" I did get it. But the last thing Id want to do, is to spread it around, and possible cause the death of an older person, or a person with special health concerns. My parents are in their 90's, so hell yes I'm concerned about people other than just myself !

And hell yes I'm concerned about the economy too ! If this ended this minute, this has already been a hard slam to the system, but its going to get worse ! And honestly, I don't think there is a real way out of it. I think it is going to really hurt "whether or not" their are lock downs put into place. Their is just not going to be a free ride here folks.

Anyway, their is strong evidence a lock down can work. Its working in South Korea, and Japan. Now granted, for whatever reason (culture ?) Those people tend to get "in line" a lot easier than us hard-headed idiots, here in the US. Being a free thinker, and doing your own thing "can have" its advantages (and in so many ways, this is me, all the way) but I really hope the vast majority will care enough about others, to do whatever it takes, to wipe this nasty virus out. Also, I hope we will learn some things in the process. I don't think we should panic. We need to just deal with it, like mature adults.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
132 Posts
Okay, since I started this thread, I guess I need to respond. First off, everyone has their opinions, and it will do no good to bash each other. From a personal standpoint, I think each side has some very good, valid points on the matter.
I used to be a correctional officer for 3 years. So when I first heard the phrase "lock down" it struck me as 1000% bad ! Like WTF ? So are we going to sit and starve to death in our own houses ? Well, in the US, no :) I promise you, "lock down" means something completely different in our ef'ing awesome "free, democratic society" ! This is NOT China, where "lock down" means, you stay in your house, or you will be freaking shot down. It just means only essential ventures should be carried out. Like 1 head of the household goes out for food, medications, or anything that lives depend on... maybe a couple times a week.... And this would likely only be needed for 2-4 weeks.

Yea', I'm in relatively good health, good immune system, not "too old"... and I am really not too worried about dying from the Corona Virus "even if" I did get it. But the last thing Id want to do, is to spread it around, and possible cause the death of an older person, or a person with special health concerns. My parents are in their 90's, so hell yes I'm concerned about people other than just myself !

And hell yes I'm concerned about the economy too ! If this ended this minute, this has already been a hard slam to the system, but its going to get worse ! And honestly, I don't think there is a real way out of it. I think it is going to really hurt "whether or not" their are lock downs put into place. Their is just not going to be a free ride here folks.

Anyway, their is strong evidence a lock down can work. Its working in South Korea, and Japan. Now granted, for whatever reason (culture ?) Those people tend to get "in line" a lot easier than us hard-headed idiots, here in the US. Being a free thinker, and doing your own thing "can have" its advantages (and in so many ways, this is me, all the way) but I really hope the vast majority will care enough about others, to do whatever it takes, to wipe this nasty virus out. Also, I hope we will learn some things in the process. I don't think we should panic. We need to just deal with it, like mature adults.
I hope that is the case as well. But I live 45 minutes from Chicago and the hundreds of Humvees and APC'S the national guard are staging on the next town over from me makes me feel otherwise.

Fortunately for myself. I and my eccentric group of friends/vehicle enthusiasts have amassed a good collection of "undercover" vehicles.

With:
2 ambulances (that still look legit)
1 army truck
1 county dump truck
2 retired police squads

We'll travel around pretty freely either way...

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,608 Posts
5000 people have tested positive in 3 months (85 deaths). For shits and grins let's multiply it by 10 for the next 3 months. That's 50,000 nationwide. Now 80-90% of that 50,000 having mild symptoms or no symptoms at all and will not require hospital care. Stop panicking.
I believe this is the goal, only have it multiply by 10 over the next 3 months and not 100 or 1000. Might be a good time to read up about exponential growth.

"The Italian coronavirus cases surged from hundreds to thousands within two weeks, from a few hundred in the third week of February to more than 3,000 in the first week of March and crossed 10,000 on 10 March."
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
504 Posts
I believe this is the goal, only have it multiply by 10 over the next 3 months and not 100 or 1000. Might be a good time to read up about exponential growth.

"The Italian coronavirus cases surged from hundreds to thousands within two weeks, from a few hundred in the third week of February to more than 3,000 in the first week of March and crossed 10,000 on 10 March."
Hold that thought. I have to run up to Walmart and Lowe's.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,608 Posts
Hold that thought. I have to run up to Walmart and Lowe's.
You act like the US media and US is deciding this. I mean I know you probably think we are the only county in the world, but we aren't. AND we are one of the last countries to respond to this. I don't think the media in France, Italy, China, etc is trying to cripple the US economy. This isn't something made up by the US media. If you want to travel so bad and don't believe in this, then head to Cina or Italy. Good luck.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
846 Posts
Discussion Starter #40
You act like the US media and US is deciding this. I mean I know you probably think we are the only county in the world, but we aren't. AND we are one of the last countries to respond to this. I don't think the media in France, Italy, China, etc is trying to cripple the US economy. This isn't something made up by the US media. If you want to travel so bad and don't believe in this, then head to Cina or Italy. Good luck.
Exactly. This is not a political thing. Nor is it just a "national" thing. Yes, mainstream media is often a bunch of BS, but people just need to cut through the crap, and be reasonable about this whole thing. Again, I'm all for restricting social interactions, within reason.
 
21 - 40 of 1709 Posts
Top