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I am considering adding some CDT CL-61 to the test, so tempting
 

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I will give a small review of what I have heard and concluded so far:

Ratings are based on sound only (not price)

Massive zk6: Do not waste your time, midbass extremely muddy, tweeter has no life, stay away. Def 1/10

Alpine type x ref: The midbass was ok, lacked low end authority, and did not like too much power. The tweeter did have top end sparkle but was not extremely clean sounding. The tweeter did not handle off axis as well as some of the others. I would say 4/10

Hertz HSK 165: The midbass is very unique, it responded fast, was able to play low (not as low as the realm), handle power, and produce a clean full bodied midrange. The tweeter had excellent off axis performance, had the top end sparkle when needed however at times sounded a tad harsh (not too often though). The build quality of the set is fantastic. Would define this more of a reference set out of the group so far (at times can be too analytical, best way to say can come off sometimes dry sounding if that makes sense). Overall a very impressive set. I would rate a solid 8/10

Morel Tempo Ultra: The midbass was the weakest link. It has great low end response however lacked the clarity and fast attack when compared to others. The midbass also could not handle as much power. The tweeter is the shinning gem in this set. Had great top end sparkle, great off axis response, but definitely unique to a specific sound signature. The tweeter could use some more of the upper midrange to fill it out. I would say 5/10 (the midbass needs improvement)

PHD 6.1 Pro: I would define this set as very well rounded. Nothing out performed however everything was extremely well balanced. The midbass had good low end extension, fast attack, clear, and could handle power. The tweeter had a full body sound, clear, but did lack some of the top end sparkle. This set would definitely be for the person who gets fatigued by the top end of the spectrum since the tweeter naturally rolls off early. I am sure you could boost those frequencies with an eq to get a little more of of it. Because of the value, I would say 7/10

Polk MM6501: I am highly impressed with this set. The midbass is definitely great to use in a car setup due to being tailored to infinite baffle. Had great low end extension, extremely fast lower midrange, loved power, however started to break up on certain songs around 3,400+ hertz and in turn lost some detail. It also was a tad too saturated around 2,800-3,200 hertz. The tweeter performed very well, it had good off axis performance, and great top end sparkle, and extremely clear (at time maybe a tad too much high end sparkle). I would say this is probably the most fun set out of the group (does really well with electronic/techno music), even though it is not necessarily the clearest. I would rate a solid 7/10

Realm LSC6: Out of the entire group this set could handle power the best. The midbass had the best low end extension out of the group, was extremely clean sounding, however not as fast reacting. The tweeter had the most top end sparkle out of all the sets however is crossed so high it has poor off axis performance and is not practical to use in a vehicle unless you are doing custom fabrication to aim the mid and tweet in the kick panel together. I wouldn't call this set a reference quality but definitely a great sound set of speakers. If I were competing in sql I would be running these. I think I am going to make some bookshelf speakers for my study with these. I would rate 6.5/10
I corrected the reviews after doing some more listening in a much quieter environment in which I was able to hear several characteristics I was not able to previously. Also adding a review of the Focal 165AS

Focal 165AS: This set had the classic Focal sound signature, great dynamics, high end sparkle and very clear sounding. The midbass did lack low end output and I felt it played too high up distracting the sound stage away from the tweeter. The tweeter was crossed very high which inhibited on the soundstage possibilities, however, the tweeter had great clarity. I would rate 6.5/10
 

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Sub'ed. Most interesting thread for me in recent times. May be due to the fact that I'm having the itch of upgrading my front speakers from Morel Maximo, powering with a moderate 60W amp.
Btw are you slightly inclined towards brighter sounding tweeters? May be an.odd guess :)

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Sub'ed. Most interesting thread for me in recent times. May be due to the fact that I'm having the itch of upgrading my front speakers from Morel Maximo, powering with a moderate 60W amp.
Btw are you slightly inclined towards brighter sounding tweeters? May be an.odd guess :)

Drive safe,
JVS
I do like a little bit brighter than the norm however I am reviewing the speakers based on every aspect. Key factor price not being in the way, when you factor in price ratings can be very biased.
 

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Adding CDT HD-M62 instead of cl 61
 

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Sub'ed. Most interesting thread for me in recent times. May be due to the fact that I'm having the itch of upgrading my front speakers from Morel Maximo, powering with a moderate 60W amp.
Btw are you slightly inclined towards brighter sounding tweeters? May be an.odd guess :)

Drive safe,
JVS
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Just curious, how are you listening to all these speakers? I am assuming you are not installing them in your car. Are they all up on a sound board? I was just wondering how the listening tests were being conducted.
 

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Just curious, how are you listening to all these speakers? I am assuming you are not installing them in your car. Are they all up on a sound board? I was just wondering how the listening tests were being conducted.
Read the second post (mine). There is abunch of tests done in very high end drivers by someone else awhile back.

I think this test is kind of a moot point as each driver isnt in its "optimal" enclosure. Throwing one driver in a small enclosure that excels in small enclosures and then throwing another driver in there and saying the second sounds worst is kind of...against the point.

The only fair way imo to test it is in a door panel with possibly even eq'd response. Put them all at the same curve and you'll notice whats different and whats just un-eq'd inherent driver FR.

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Being new to this kind of SQ audio and reading up on all these different combos. What are the chances when you have everything tested, is to pick your favorites mid and tweets from the lot and put them together and see how they sound?

For myself my so called SQ stuff consists of Diamond Hex 6.0s components, ive had them for 10+ yrs. To me I like the mids but I find that the tweets are harsh, but then they are ran off of the crossover.
 

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Just curious, how are you listening to all these speakers? I am assuming you are not installing them in your car. Are they all up on a sound board? I was just wondering how the listening tests were being conducted.
I built an enclosure to resemble a car door environment and setup a listening environment in my house which re-simulates as close as possible with my ability the interior of a vehicle. A majority of consumers will be mounting their midbass driver in the door location which is why to me this seems the most common place to try to re simulate. Yes certain drivers are better in x and some in y but I am testing based on everyday common speaker placement.
 

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Read the second post (mine). There is abunch of tests done in very high end drivers by someone else awhile back.

I think this test is kind of a moot point as each driver isnt in its "optimal" enclosure. Throwing one driver in a small enclosure that excels in small enclosures and then throwing another driver in there and saying the second sounds worst is kind of...against the point.

The only fair way imo to test it is in a door panel with possibly even eq'd response. Put them all at the same curve and you'll notice whats different and whats just un-eq'd inherent driver FR.

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I wish you wouldn't assume before asking.

I built an enclosure to resemble a car door environment and setup a listening environment in my house which re-simulates as close as possible with my ability the interior of a vehicle. A majority of consumers will be mounting their midbass driver in the door location which is why to me this seems the most common place to try to re simulate. Yes certain drivers are better in x and some in y but I am testing based on everyday common speaker placement.

The enclosure I built has 1.5 cubic feet of air, shaped like a door panel. Yes all speakers sound different when put in their optimal cabinet however a majority of consumers are not going to go out of the way to fabricate that optimal cabinet in their vehicle (kickpanels, pods etc). To me, my logic, this is one of the most unbiased way of testing a speaker for a car environment due to being placed in a realistic sized cabinet, shaped as a generic vehicle door.
 

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I am starting a new thread which will be the reviews of the speakers selected as this thread can be confusing for a new reader to go by.
 

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curious of the time differences between listening to each set.. seems like days between batches?
 

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curious of the time differences between listening to each set.. seems like days between batches?
You are correct, I have written down in detail as best as I can the description of each set I listen to, at this time I do not have the luxury of time to be able to sit down and do all of them at once, doing this after work etc.
 

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You are correct, I have written down in detail as best as I can the description of each set I listen to, at this time I do not have the luxury of time to be able to sit down and do all of them at once, doing this after work etc.
when you get all of the speakers, you should designate a whole day to re-testing them all in the same day
 
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