[BigRed]

U can't run high res with the native player. U have to purchase software

 

[jtaudioacc]

Hey Jim, can you explain HOW to load and play Hi-Res files on the iPod/iPhone/iPad with the native player???

And when I refer to "Hi-Res", I'm referring to 24-bit files, with a minimum of 88.2kHz to 192kHz.

Also, you might want to wait for the iPad 3. A little bird told me it's coming very soon.

here's what I understand, you buy "flac player" load them on to your phone through itunes, but you need to load files through the app. there's instructions somewhere, it's easy. then they will play through the native player.

now, how they get out of the iphone/ipad and at what resolution i'm not 100% sure.

btw, bbfoto, feel free to send me those ad shots for the ipad 3, so i know what i'm getting when it comes out. lol.

 

[t3sn4f2]

here's what I understand, you buy "flac player" load them on to your phone through itunes, but you need to load files through the app. there's instructions somewhere, it's easy. then they will play through the native player.

now, how they get out of the iphone/ipad and at what resolution i'm not 100% sure.
btw, bbfoto, feel free to send me those ad shots for the ipad 3, so i know what i'm getting when it comes out. lol.

iPad Streams High-Resolution Audio to DAC1 | Benchmark Interaction

 

[bbfoto]

DOH! Jim, sorry mang, I misread your initial post! For some reason I thought you typed "POSSIBLE" instead of "IMPOSSIBLE". Whew, I guess that's just what I wanted to read and didn't realize it until you quoted me. :/

jt, thanks for the 'FLAC Player' tutorial...got it! I have the Logitech Squeezebox Touch and Transporter, and both will stream my 24/192 files from my home server to these players via WiFi so it definitely IS possible, but you are limited to playing them through the proprietary Squeezebox player software, which actually isn't too bad, but could be better.

I've got the SB Touch in one of my vehicles now with the digital optical out going to my DEQ-P9. You have to keep the DEX-P9 HU in the mix to control the processor via the Pioneer iP-Bus cable, but this works for me because I wanted to keep the AM/FM/CD functionality in the car anyway. It's still not ideal as you have to have two source devices and manually switch the optical Toslink outputs with a mechanical rotary Toslink optical switch. I'm hoping to try this setup with the new Mosconi or Helix processor soon.

My 5.3" 1280x800 display Samsung Galaxy Note phablet is a single source and you can choose from a plethora of Android music & video player apps, but it's a rats nest of wiring, adapters, and interfaces in order to make it work. The Galaxy Note also has an FM tuner built-in so you've got that plus the music/video, NAV/GPS, Internet, Voice Text and Email, WiFi Hotspot, and hands-free phone, etc.

And sorry, but mums the word for now regarding the iPad 3...really don't want the Apple police showing up at my door! You will be surprised however.

And thanks for the link to the DAC1, tn.

 

[twocupsofbutter]

Nick


Do you have any pics of this ?

Do you know the measurements ?

 

[Mitsu1grn]

Greetings!

The unit is about the size of an Iphone. Its thicker, ( 2 inches). Room for two RCA output jacks and one Toslink output. Thats it!

 

[bbfoto]

YouTube Video:

Nick (in conjunction with Pacific Stereo) shows off some of Focal's new products for 2012 at CES, including the Focal iBox...

Focal @ CES 2012 | Pacific Stereo - YouTube

 

[t3sn4f2]

YouTube Video:

Nick (in conjunction with Pacific Stereo) shows off some of Focal's new products for 2012 at CES, including the Focal iBox...

Focal @ CES 2012 | Pacific Stereo - YouTube

Thanks for the vid.

I wonder what the final product will look like if it ever goes into production.

 

[bbfoto]

No problem.

I'm not too concerned with what it will look like as long as it doesn't grow too much in size. It would be hidden away in my install.

I'll just say right now that this device is dead in the water from the start if the MSRP is $999. That's just not going to fly IMO... it shouldn't cost more than the iDevices it supports, especially an iPad.

My Squeezebox Touch is about the same size, has WiFi, a 4.3" LCD touchscreen, a surprisingly amazing 24/192 DAC with toslink optical + coaxial outputs, redbook standard 2v RCA analog outputs, and IR remote for under $300. IOW the SB Touch's high-quality components match (and exceed) the list of components in the iBox, and at a much lower price. And both have software and associated development costs to factor in as well.

I'd imagine that manufacturing costs/economies of scale/sales volume would be much different between the two, but I just don't see too many of these things flying off the shelves at ~$999.

Still, I WANT one NOW!

 

[jtaudioacc]

Thanks for the vid.

I wonder what the final product will look like if it ever goes into production.

As I understood it, that is what the finished product will look like. I thought I remember Nick saying that in the suite and something like 5 were available? Please correct me if I'm wrong, Nick.

Also, there are still many that claim idevices are incapable of transferring the high resolution files. Hardware is said to be the issue, even though digital out is available.

 

[t3sn4f2]

As I understood it, that is what the finished product will look like. I thought I remember Nick saying that in the suite and something like 5 were available? Please correct me if I'm wrong, Nick.

Also, there are still many that claim idevices are incapable of transferring the high resolution files. Hardware is said to be the issue, even though digital out is available.

What do you mean by hardware specifically?

 

[jtaudioacc]

What do you mean by hardware specifically?

I've just been told the idevices have hardware limitations that won't allow 24bit 96khz files to be transferred. only 16bit 48khz max. so, high resolution files might be able to be played with flac player, but won't be transmitted digitally at 24 but 96khz.

i'm not saying i'm right or wrong, just what I've heard and read from more than a few people.

 

[t3sn4f2]

I've just been told the idevices have hardware limitations that won't allow 24bit 96khz files to be transferred. only 16bit 48khz max. so, high resolution files might be able to be played with flac player, but won't be transmitted digitally at 24 but 96khz.

i'm not saying i'm right or wrong, just what I've heard and read from more than a few people.

Those people are just plain wrong, as you can see from the link I provided earlier.

iPad Streams High-Resolution Audio to DAC1 | Benchmark Interaction

"

To demonstrate that the stream was not being down-sampled, we used a 30 kHz audio test tone (-5 dBFS amplitude, 96-kHz sample rate, 24-bit resolution). If the iPad was down-sampling to 48 kHz, the cutoff (Nyquist) frequency would drop to 24 kHz. In this case, the 30 kHz tone would disappear. Our tests show that the 30 kHz tone is properly reproduced.

Nyquist rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As per the theorem about, a 48kHz sample rate can only play up to 24kHz (48kHz/2). Yet the test show a clean tone all the way up to 30kHz.

 

[jtaudioacc]

sorry, t3sn4f2. forgot you posted that. i think it was just that i was told again, it couldn't work that i asked.

it makes sense to me, that if you can get the files on the idevice, that it could be sent in the digital domain and still be intact.

now to go against the whole resolution issue we are talking about, i'm wondering if you can use wifi to connect to the ibox, and still have your cellular data connection? as to use pandora, sirius or other internet radio stations with the ibox.

 

[bbfoto]

JT,

I believe it WILL be able to utilize your iDevice's 3G/4G cellular data connection while connected via WiFi to the iBox. But the WiFi connection between the two idevices will be pretty much exclusive, meaning your iDevice will not be able to connect to another WiFi hotspot at the same time for your data for pandora, email, Internet, etc. It basically operates using a "WiFi Direct" -type protocol which many Samsung devices have, such as their newer HDTVs, Smartphones, and Galaxy Tablets. It's similar to using a Bluetooth connection.

 

[Mitsu1grn]

Greetings!!

Someone is asking about the finished product and what it will look like. If you go look at the Pacific Stereo Video and look, you will see the product. That is what it will look like. Our understanding is this is it. No changes to be made other than a Focal logo on it.

Nick

 

[Mitsu1grn]

Greetings Again!

To answer another question, No, you cannot access any other WiFi functions of the phone once the connection with the Ibox is established. If you get a call, the streaming is paused and you can answer your phone. That happened to me at CES.

Nick

 

[t3sn4f2]

Greetings Again!

To answer another question, No, you cannot access any other WiFi functions of the phone once the connection with the Ibox is established. If you get a call, the streaming is paused and you can answer your phone. That happened to me at CES.

Nick

But can you access any other data service like 3g simultaneously or even at all once the wifi connection to the iBox is established?

(Can't find the iBox on Pacific. )

 

[jtaudioacc]

JT,

I believe it WILL be able to utilize your iDevice's 3G/4G cellular data connection while connected via WiFi to the iBox. But the WiFi connection between the two idevices will be pretty much exclusive, meaning your iDevice will not be able to connect to another WiFi hotspot at the same time for your data for pandora, email, Internet, etc. It basically operates using a "WiFi Direct" -type protocol which many Samsung devices have, such as their newer HDTVs, Smartphones, and Galaxy Tablets. It's similar to using a Bluetooth connection.

I hope you can still use the data part of the 3G connection. I understand the phone call part of it still using the 3G, but I hope it will still use 3G for the rest of the data apps and not rely on wifi, which won't be available.

 

[Mitsu1grn]

Greetings again!


I dont know if you will be able to access anything over the 3G network or not. I will inquire with Focal tonight and should have an answer for you tomorrow.

the IBox is not available yet, that is why you cannot find it on Pacific Stereo. You can see it on the link to the video in a post that was made earlier in this thread and see what it looks like. I shall inquire with Focal about a release date and hopefully I will have an answer on that as well tomorrow.

Nick