No bone to pick… I just thought that the “Sad” part was funny.This thread is about car audio so I fail to see the relevancy in that reply & video. If you have some sort of political bone to pick, I suggest finding those who it applies to.
Perhaps it is funny to some, but I tend to stay away from politics & religion as either can certainly trigger unwanted things. Wasn't sure if you forgot what thread you were in or throwing out bait.No bone to pick… I just thought that the “Sad” part was funny.
(I read it, it seemed t apply to the myriad of responses?)
Anyhow you probably have good ideas for his car… you usually offer a decent perspective, so don’t get vexed by my humour or lack thereof.
I am too lazy to even pick a bone (even with) myself, at the moment.
His car is a 2004 Pontiac GTO; which is a rebranded Holden Monaro.Monaro... is the car? Taken into consideration.
You make some good points.So from my perspective (which won't be worth 2 cents to some), there's numerous things wrong in the setup if it still stands as I saw earlier in the thread.
Pioneer 1500... good decks IMO. They have the same network capabilities as others except for the PRS series. EQ & xover are decent if you don't handicap them.... will get to that in the driver section.
Whispers.. always intriguing, but not without issues in the midrange. Not a big deal here since you're running passive between those and the door drivers. That's if the passives are doing things close to right.
Silver Flutes...I see these as a problem for many. Yes, they're very inexpensive, good throw, and perhaps impressive midrange. Still, midbass... not something I would choose especially in this scenario. With no natural bump or rise in the lower portion of bandwidth needed in a car door, this means they will need some extra EQ for proper tonality. It may look good on paper, but the reality is more than likely they aren't doing the subs any favors. Many say low Q doesn't matter when crossing above Fs and they are correct to a point, but that's a much different suggestion vs the response that is beneficial when you are DSP or EQ limited as in a fairly bare bones system. That's been my experience over the years any way....
The subs (GBW801 correct?)... we've discussed this before and my big issues are
1. We don't know the true parameters of the Blaupunkts. I would like to believe they are what is claimed but Blau isn't what they used to be.
2. If the specs are correct, I still take issue with the Qts... not the Fs. That is correct... the Fs is actually fine for IB, but the Qts and other parameters leave a bit to be desired for an 8" that undoubtedly will not be as influenced by trunk size as much larger subs would. I know questions will come about the Fs... I welcome them, but let's move on in case questions or debates are stagnant.
The alternate OB subs used... those were on the other end of the spectrum for what would be rather ideal. The extremely high Q is obviously for OB... not necessarily beneficial to a vehicle with the usual transfer function we know cars to have. The Fs, if correct, combined with that super high Q, added to a vehicle's acoustics... that wouldn't have been my choice either. The designed peak is an obvious need for OB but not worth the tradeoffs in a trunk baffle.
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Which ones did you order? I take it you're going off of my previous experience with them, if you got the ones I have? It will be interesting to see your results compared to mine.You make some good points.
The whispers...well I ended up getting those to sound good with lots of playing with the eq. Then the dayton AMT tweets were overbearing, so i put a resistor on them to tone them down. I really deadened the doors and rear panels quite well and I think most people would be surprised how good the flutes sound, and i know I've read where they dont have any or much bass, but thats not true with mine. Like I said before, I almost dont need subs...but cruising down the highway with the windows down....i can't hear as much bass.
The blaupunkts are out of the picture and I've given up on the audiophile drivers. They just arent what I'm looking for. I Ordered some cerwin vega's that should be here today. I'f they dont do what i want in the back deck then I'll build some boxes and put them in the side panels. Or I'll put a box back in the trunk. we will see.
Nothing is with guy man. I've been through 3 threads. All this long.Dude that’s not helpful.
I had only listened to my own car before a few months ago as well. I tried with a single 10 in a sealed before and was lacking that depth that I was looking for from a home setup (although I do like a good amount of bass capability). But the only cars I could sit in were guys from sound of tri-state, all of which had 24in ported subs, or walls of 12s. Basically all spl guys, and I had zero interest in what they had going on.I have chopped out that 40hz region. I chopped up to 17.4db out of it. It sounds like crap higher and lower than that with the subs I have now. It’s more complicated than that, some songs sound fantastic, some I can’t hear some bass notes that I know are there. I’m brainstorming right now. I’m considering building enclosures for my side panels and putting subs in there. I have a few ideas, and I’ll get there.
I haven’t heard anyone else’s car. None of my friends car much about audio anyone. Faded out pretty much. Most of my buddies are into fast cars. I’m not really into the audio either, nothing like I used to be, but I’ve become interested here lately on just getting a decent stereo in my hot rod.
I ordered the 2ohm vegas...like you have.Which ones did you order? I take it you're going off of my previous experience with them, if you got the ones I have? It will be interesting to see your results compared to mine.
I do wish you would slow down a bit in your purchasing gear, but I'm not one to bash. We all operate differently. Keep me posted.
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I don't find this to be true. At least in my experience... maybe others. I've played with enough IB setups to come to the realization that many aren't really optimized. You really shouldn't have to EQ a proper IB setup into submission much more than a proper sealed setup. A good sealed will dip down just as low and a proper IB should be as musical with decent overshoot, but the difference and the targeted advantage of IB is of course.. better efficiency without the weight and room taken up with an enclosure.Can you make some 8s work? Yes absolutely. But if you want a rising bass response as most people do in a car, and want it above fairly low listening levels, I don't believe it's possible to move enough air with 2 8s.