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Measuring Impulse Response for TA using REW and Umik-1

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I currently have my TA set by physically measuring. I will be trying this out later this week and want to "see" how it makes a difference. I hope I can tweak things even better using this.

Thanks! :D
 
Having an issue getting this going. I originally had an older Beta version so I uninstalled that, updated to the latest Java 8 112 and rebooted. Installed REW V 5.18 and tried again. Same error.

Basically either testing with laptop speakers or connected to my DSP, after I start the measurements, it never "completes". It sits there indefinitely. I cancel it and REW is mostly frozen, and mostly grayed out.

Here is the starting measurement window that never completes:


Once I cancel it, here is how it looks:
 
Drop down the Menu on "Output" in the Measurement window and choose the output rather than "Default Output" Mine is listed as Speaker
Yes I noticed yours was speaker. I did just try that now and its doing the same thing. Weird.
The only thing I can do once this is started, is to exit out of REW. When i do it asks me to save the file, although I can never view it. Even if I save it its not "real/complete".
I think its something I am choosing in the Soundcard preferences. So.....I have Driver:Java, Output Device: Primary Sound Driver, Input Device: UMIK-1. Seems like no matter which options I choose, it freezes up. Again older version did the same, uninstalled and latest is doing it also. I spent hours doing FR with REW, and no "major issue" with the app??
 
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You should have another option on Output Device and it should be labeled the same as your Sound card in Device Manager. That's the one you want to choose.
Ok, so I checked DM and its listed as Conexant SmartAudio HD. Back in REW under pref's > Soundcard > Output Device, I see it as Speakers (Conexant SmartAudio HD). So I choose that, then the Output is Speakers "Left", Input Device (testing locally on laptop) is Internal Mic, Input is Microphone. Still hangs calculating frequency?
 
I figured it was something I changed or had set under preferences. I guess the uninstall and re-install does not change/remove those settings. I went under Preferences and choose to Delete Preferences and Shutdown. Now things seem to at least work and show the charts!!

Now I will hookup back to the DSP and see...Thanks :D
 
Well the charts are mostly working but something is still wrong! I finally noticed that my furthest speaker Right Tweet (Ref) is past the "0" on the charts! Therefore no matter now much delay I add to the DSP for the Left Tweet it never moves enough to the right to match the right. I noticed all your charts are all under 0ms for the first peaks.
 
What is the delta in milliseconds between the rise of the first peak in your Reference Measurement and the first peak in your Left Tweeter Measurement? This is the amount of delay necessary to add to your left tweeter.

This is found by going to the Overlays Window on the IR tab and using the cursor to click on the graph to get the cross hairs. Follow the directions in my first post substituting your drivers for mine.
Thanks, I am pretty sure I am following "most" of them correctly. :(
All of my measurements seem to be in "u" micro seconds I guess vs ms. For example, the Right side Reference tweet (0 ms on dsp) has the first peak at 10.0u, and the left tweet (also 0 ms on dsp) was -20u (both aroud 75 %FS). So it seems like my reference is already passed "0" on the bottom scale. No matter how much delay I add to the Left Tweet, the first peak never goes further than "0". SO there is always a gap. I know something is wrong, just not sure what.
I will try to post a chart soon from the laptop.
 
Forget 0 on the bottom scale altogether.

Zoom in on the Graph so you can clearly see the first IR Peak. Click on an area of the left Tweeter first peak. You will get the blue cross hairs and a blue box at the bottom of the window with a number in it. Make a note of this number. Follow the horizontal portion of the blue cross hair and click where it intersects the first peak of your Reference measurement. Make note of the number in the box at the bottom.

The difference between these numbers is the time in ms to delay your left tweeter.
I hear ya, I thought this would be pretty simple. Here is a chart with the Purple being the Left tweet, the crosshairs show about -20u for that and about 20u for the Green Right tweet. So about 40u or .4ms. I dont think this is right, as using the tape measure it was ~1.48ms. Either way, once set on the DSP it does not improve.

Here is a chart with a 4ms delay and the max delay 15ms (pruple) on the Left Tweet and its still not lining up with the RIght. :confused:
 
.4 ms could be fine. That's about what it looks like it should be from the graph. The second graph with the .4 ms delay looks correct as the peaks are right on top of each other.

Continue on for your other drivers using the right tweeter as reference.

What freq are you using for your sweep?
since I had the tweet XO at 3500, I set the XO to 2500 and the sweep to 3500. Yes those charts are almost on top of each other, however I think they are both Left, and the one to the right is the RIGHT Tweet I am trying to match right?
Also I then tried to the work on the mids using the 1000Hz. For these I could never get it to pass waiting for timing reference. I will post my Preferences as maybe there is something wrong!
 
You need to do time alignment before crossovers. The crossover distorts your impulse response


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So if that could be the difference here, that was one direction I apparently did not follow, lol. Could it be the issue... Let me try that.
 
Bypassing the xo did help. Now the peaks are under 0ms. However should I change the sweep to 2500 vs 3500? I normally set the xo to 3500. Maybe this is an issue? I think I may have a L/R channel mixed up somewhere as things still dont seem right. Will try again tomorrow.
 
Here are my settings shown on the measurement page in the first pic. Also in the second pic you can see where my Left Tweet is at 0m on the chart, and moves in one direction with 1ms delay but seems to move in another direction with less delay, All delay should move in the same direction right. Also, I DO have my DSP set with PEQ's on all channels. Would these have to be bypassed? Maybe I started this with too much already configured. Will test again today.

 
I've been having issue with REW similar to you. Just freezes when trying to run a measurement, and have to exit out of REW. Very annoying.

I updated to latest version of REW same problem.

It does run a measurement sometimes, but 9 out of 10 tries it freezes. A week ago it worked flawlessly. Though I recently did the Windows 10 anniversary update, perhaps it changed something.
I would say it may be simply something in your "Preferences". I went under there and choose the Delete option and made one change at a time and eventually figured it out. I think I had the wrong Output selected and it locked up. Try that
 
The way it works is that REW sends a chirp 1st through the reference speaker and then it runs a sweep using the speaker to be aligned to measure the IR relative to the chirp (your reference speaker). This is very important since if you don't get the chirp and sweep to go our the correct driver, you will either get the wrong values or you will see TA have no effect on your measurements. I believe someone in this thread was having this problem. Anyways, so if you want to align L and R channels, 1st run the timing signal and sweep signal through your reference speaker to have the reference measurement. Then, turn on the 2ns speaker, keep the reference signal on the reference speaker and simply change the output channel to the other one. Using your ears, verify that that is actually happening.
Yes, I was having an issue and it sounds like the L/R as you describe could be the issue. I had a feeling this could be the cause but have not had time to validate further. I have a stereo 3.5mm y adapter to RCA, but when I did a simple Pink Noise Signal Generator test using REW, output only RIGHT channel and DSP only routing LEFT to LEFT midrange, I got output!
I will have to re-check this but I think this may be the issue. Without laptop, all my Left Channels are on the left side and right is all right.
 
I just tried this but I think I am running into the same issues. It seems like the measurement output always goes out BOTH speakers even though I set it either Left or Right in the drop down in the Measurement screen before measuring.
In Preferences section I should have it set to BOTH, right? If so maybe thats my issue. I do have a Stereo 3.5mm Y-adapter going to 2 RCA's on the DSP.