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Alright folks, ToNasty was nice enough to send me his Morel 2.5's to me on his dime to install and review for the forum. We've already discussed me possibly buying them myself so initial impressions are pretty good. Since they went in place of my Audiofrog GB25's I'll be comparing them to the Frogs from time to time.

First, let's start with my thoughts on build quality. The frame isn't anything exciting. If anything it isn't any better than something you'd find on a Vifa/Tymphany speaker that you can get for less than $20 a pop. Now don't shoot me yet! My thoughts are that Morel put resources into the cone and motor where sound is made and didn't put it into bling like some companies we know of. This speaker appears to be intended for hiding behind a factory dash grille and not be seen. If you want to showcase your speakers in the install there are tons of other options that cost way more money *cough gb25 cough*. Terminals are pretty bare bones and take narrow female slide connectors. I grabbed 4 of what I had on hand and they slid right on after opening them up a little with a tiny flathead. They bolted into the same pods the gb25's were in BARELY. I had to really take care not to leave a gap because the gb25 is a little bigger and beastly. One of the Morels had a little bit of a bend in the flange that must have happened at the factory. The speaker is fine and no coil rubbing so I'm not worried about it. Inside the pvc endcaps I have a couple pieces of ocf and a couple small holes drilled in the bottom for them to breath but not so much the back wave causes issues.





 

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So, first impressions on sound with just a minor level change is these things are shockingly smooth and somewhat laid back with a warm tone. Everything you'd expect from a Morel speaker. I then wiped out all the midrange eq and went to town with the rta. They're brand new so I'm going to give them some time to limber up. I've never had a speaker not change at least a little after several hours of play. Always had them smooth out with time. Some may disagree but I view a speaker just like a shoe. Not as good as it could be right out of the box but once everything is settled in they're great right up until they start to deteriorate from age/abuse.

As of right now vocals are pretty smooth and laid back. The gb25 is a very forward sounding speaker compared to the Morel. I don't think I lost any detail with the Morels though. I'll give my ears a few days to get used to the new timbre in the midrange. I have them crossed from 350-4000 on the left and 350-5500 on the right. Crossing asymmetrical up top saves me some unnecessary eq work and it seems to work really well. I had to do the same thing with the gb25's so it's the response of the dash locations at play and not necessarily the speakers. Anyway, those are my first impressions. Here's some screenshots of the rta work for your viewing pleasure and comic relief. Yes I know my midbass needs work and I'll get to that in the very near future. I recently wiped the old tune out and retuned. Initial tune was with the speakers brand new and they've changed enough to warrant a complete redo. I also included my current response from 20-20k. And I also know my sub is too hot. Will take care of that in a bit. Some things got jacked up while I was level matching. Was also having issues getting consistent results with the mic for some reason. Guess that's just what happens when you do the wave around the skull for 32 averages method but this time was way less consistent than normal.


 

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More thoughts...acoustical stuff is sounding very smooth with plenty of detail. You can hear the warble from a flute player's air pulsating quite nicely. Also, output isn't going to be a problem at all. I'm also not one to listen at levels that could damage my hearing either.
 

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First graph is Morels and no eq. Second is l/r eq and mono frequency shaping done and third is whole system response. And yes it's jagged as all hell right now. I got work to do on the midbass still but my main focus was getting the Morels smoothed out and getting them integrated in the Scanspeak sammich.
 

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Would it be possible to run just a 2 way system with a mid-bass and the Morels? Does it have enough extension to output up into the mid-teens range wise? I'm assuming the graph we're looking at is a result of your filter.
 

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Would it be possible to run just a 2 way system with a mid-bass and the Morels? Does it have enough extension to output up into the mid-teens range wise? I'm assuming the graph we're looking at is a result of your filter.
Yes that's with filters in place. They claim extension up to 19k and I do plan on opening them up eventually and dialing them in as a wideband as time allows to see how they do. They're firing straight up out of the factory dash locations of my Ram so results might be all over the place.
 

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Nice, I'm liking this thread.
 

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OK, knowing how some people can get (me included) I decided to rock them on my 8 minute drive to work last night. Crossed at 350hz 24db slope they get plenty loud while sitting still but then all at once they let you know they're in distress. I'm still in awe at how detailed these little guys sound. It's as if there's no secrets in the music anymore. I'm going to go out in a bit and try them crossed at 500 or maybe a little higher to see how they do at higher volumes. I'll open them up on top and see how they do as a "fullrange" in a couple days after I get them dialed as a midrange. As much time as I've spent outside in the truck with the laptop I'm sure the neighbors think I have a bad porn addiction. I'm sure a porn addiction would be way easier to explain than what I'm REALLY doing out there and also lessen the chances of them sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.
 

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Questions: I know its a bit early to tell but do you think these are a contender to the GB25 in terms of SQ? Would you buy these over the GB25 if they were the same price and if not why?

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If they were the same price I'd buy the gb25 all day long and twice on Sunday. Reason being is the gb25 is a way better speaker in terms of linear coil travel. But, to get what the gb25 offers in terms of performance you better be willing to pay upwards of $400 for the pair. I think I paid $367ish shipped for a brand new pair. Now, the jury is still out on the sq between the two. As I said earlier the gb25 is a more forward sounding speaker while the Morel is more laid back and detailed. Just my opinion for first impressions. Both speakers have their place. Right now I'm getting used to the Morel sounding different from the gb25 but like I said the Morel is definitely more detailed. More time with them will tell the story as days go by.
 

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OK if you want higher output it's looking like 500hz 24db slope is a good happy zone for the Morels. As far as top end frequency response they'll go up as high as you want them to play. I bypassed the lowpass and they sounded quite nice as a true wideband speaker. I did have to apply a shelf filter at 4500hz and boost it 5db in my dash locations. If you want to use them as a true wideband you might not have to do this especially if they're on axis or close to it. Just thought I should make it known that a shelf filter was needed FOR ME according to rta and my ears to verify. For the money they're awesome little speakers. I do like the somewhat laid back timbre they have and the extended frequency range. As long as you don't listen too terrible loud they're OMG good crossed at 350 24db with some eq work. I still suggest 500hz as a good cross point to keep from running the speaker into power compression/out of linear travel/etc.

I have decided to stick the gb25's back in because of the power handling and holding it together at high volume crossed at 300hz. My staging is just way better with the lower cross points. Tonally I do think the Morels are a hair more detailed and a little more pleasing to the ears than the gb25's but that's personal opinion. At the end of the day it's more or less a wash and prefer the higher output the gb25's are capable of to protect me from myself when I get frisky.
 

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Would it be possible to run just a 2 way system with a mid-bass and the Morels? Does it have enough extension to output up into the mid-teens range wise? I'm assuming the graph we're looking at is a result of your filter.
I tried them as a wideband. They do play fairly high but it was more of a shrill than timber. I ended up adding a tweeter. They sound much better with a tweeter. It was not terrible as a wideband, just not accurate.
 

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Great review Hillbilly. The Morels are a great little speakers that reproduce music very nicely. I like the fact that they are laid back and detailed at the same time. I think you nailed that part of the review. I had a suspicion that they would not output as loud as the the GB25 due to over half the excursion ability.
 

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Thanks for the review!

These were a bargain in my hometown audio shop (under 100 brand new) so I bought them and plan to put on factory dash speaker openings firing up towards the windshield. The original location - as in most cars - is "open" or infinite baffle type, would this be OK or should I enclose these tiny speakers for best sound quality?

I am going to run them in fully active setup, crossed [email protected] and I usually do not listen very loud.
 

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You can run them IB just fine. Only thing I really suggest is to do as much as you can to keep the sound from the back of the speaker from causing issues that "just dropping them in" can cause. Some neoprene to make a bladder type enclosure should work fine. I know a guy who had great success making an enclosure for his Scan 10f's this way. Really you just want to attenuate the wave from the back of the cone as much as possible.
 

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Thanks for the review!

These were a bargain in my hometown audio shop (under 100 brand new) so I bought them and plan to put on factory dash speaker openings firing up towards the windshield. The original location - as in most cars - is "open" or infinite baffle type, would this be OK or should I enclose these tiny speakers for best sound quality?

I am going to run them in fully active setup, crossed [email protected] and I usually do not listen very loud.
I know this was a while back but I was wondering how the Morel CCWR254 worked out for you. I'm particularly interested in where you ended up crossing them over (did [email protected] work at high volumes?).

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
 
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