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Beautiful, thank you!

Request: Auth to save my stuff? Is it in the works?
 
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I'm really excited about this update with the phase calculations and summing and the allpass filters too!
 
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Beautiful, thank you!

Request: Auth to save my stuff? Is it in the works?
Thanks!

As of now it's not, because I didn't want users to have to login and provide an email for a tool that could be completely local

However, everything is saved locally on your browser, so you keep your curves and drivers even after closing the page (as long as you don't delete your browser history)

Do you need it for accessing the same data on multiple devices? In that case yes, auth is needed.
Of course, if I were to implement it, I would make it optional
 
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I'm really excited about this update with the phase calculations and summing and the allpass filters too!
Thanks Justin! Your feedback means a lot.

I also wanted to take a moment to tell everyone how helpful you've been behind the scenes. You've been incredibly generous with your time, and your quick answers to my many questions were a massive help!
 
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Good afternoon,

I finally added support for Smaart (version 2.1.0). I can't be sure whether the exported files work, but I followed a guide on their support blog and tested it on a Smaart demo (which is limited, but should be the same).

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As I've seen, Smaart house curves require a different file for each octave band. The limitation on the tool is that you can export only one band at a time, because exporting all the bands together means exporting about 36 curves (for 5 drivers), and the browser does not allow that many downloads all at once.

An alternative would be to export them as a zip, but that would require you to unzip the files every time, I wouldn't know which is preferable

Let me know what you prefer and all suggestions are welcome!
 
I think zip is fine, but there will always be a fruit to complain. Can’t make everybody happy all the time.
 
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First, thanks for this tool, its awesome! :geek:
I can confirm the Smaart exports work great.
Regarding exporting the various octave bands, what does the REW default to? 1/3?
I would think for a target curve 1/3 is all you need? Would you need more than that?
Question: on the summed response since it does not fully line up to the overall house curve, is there anything we need to adjust here? Usually Sub>MB
 
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First, thanks for this tool, its awesome! :geek:
I can confirm the Smaart exports work great.
Regarding exporting the various octave bands, what does the REW default to? 1/3?
Hi Banshee, thanks!

The octave bands are used only for Smaart to be able to properly position the target curve based on the current view (no idea why it works like this), the curve isn't actually being smoothed

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For REW and ATF you don't need to worry about such setting as it's ignored

I would think for a target curve 1/3 is all you need? Would you need more than that?
I agree with you that the target curve should be smooth, however they are pretty smooth regardless, so there is no need to apply smoothing on top of it

Question: on the summed response since it does not fully line up to the overall house curve, is there anything we need to adjust here? Usually Sub>MB
Great question, you just need to play around with different crossover types, polarity, and allpass filters and you can get pretty close

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However, I must say that the summed response comes with the assumption that the phase response of each driver is exactly as the one that is shown on the tool. If it's not, then the real summed response will be completely different.

You would need to apply, in your DSP, electrical filters (allpass included) that are different from the ones you chose initially (acoustic filters) until the measured phase and magnitude responses match the ones shown in the tool
 
@nono Could you possibly add some additional all-pass filters? One additional all-pass per driver should be enough to correct most crossover induced phase issues.
 
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@nono Could you possibly add some additional all-pass filters? One additional all-pass per driver should be enough to correct most crossover induced phase issues.
Absolutely! Will add it in one of the next releases
 
Absolutely! Will add it in one of the next releases
Awesome! Great work, by the way. This should help a lot of people understand more about their systems. I'm especially focused on the crossover induced anomalies, people just don't really realize that crossovers are not completely benign in their behavior. There are adverse effects from high/low-pass filters that need to be addressed for the best sound, and some of those effects are not correctable without FIR filters which we really don't have in car audio. Best to choose the filters that can be corrected with IIR filters. And I use the term "correct" loosely, phase-matching at the crossover point is what I mean.
 
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Sure! Just need to choose which one to remove from the homepage
You could remove the JBL curve, because the Audiofrog curve is based on it, just smoothed and tweaked a tiny bit. Most of the others that are similar have a change to the actual curvature that is difficult to reproduce.
 
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You could remove the JBL curve, because the Audiofrog curve is based on it, just smoothed and tweaked a tiny bit. Most of the others that are similar have a change to the actual curvature that is difficult to reproduce.
Actually I think I can remove the flat one, since it's the least used and clicking on "Create from scratch" creates a flat curve anyway

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Hi everyone,

Quick update on what changed in the last versions:
  • Exported files are zipped when exporting more than 1 curve at a time.
  • Updated and optimized Audiofrog's house curve.
  • Added RAW-Cat's house curve.
  • Added a second all-pass filter on every driver (in the future filters will be organized better).
  • Increased the sample rate from 48kHz to 96kHz to avoid filters from being compressed when approaching the Nyquist frequency.
  • Added dB/oct values to all filters.
  • Driver solo: right-clicking a driver in the driver's list will hide all other drivers.
  • Driver folders: group and organise drivers to quickly switch between sets.
As always, let me know if you find any issues!
 
Hi everyone,

Quick update on what changed in the last versions:
  • Exported files are zipped when exporting more than 1 curve at a time.
  • Updated and optimized Audiofrog's house curve.
  • Added RAW-Cat's house curve.
  • Added a second all-pass filter on every driver (in the future filters will be organized better).
  • Increased the sample rate from 48kHz to 96kHz to avoid filters from being compressed when approaching the Nyquist frequency.
  • Added dB/oct values to all filters.
  • Driver solo: right-clicking a driver in the driver's list will hide all other drivers.
  • Driver folders: group and organise drivers to quickly switch between sets.
As always, let me know if you find any issues!
Thank you! Also


what’s been optimized?
Also love the beaming indicator !
 
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Thank you! Also


what’s been optimized?
Also love the beaming indicator !
Are you asking about the Audiofrog curve?

After I posted the tool on Facebook, Andy found it and gave me the original file of his house curve, this way I'm sure it's correct (it was off by a few decimals)

And this was for the "updating" part, as for the optimization:
I tried to remove as many definition points while keeping the shape within .1 dB, in order to make it easier to edit, so it went from this:
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to this:
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Sorry I'm a little late to the party here. How does this work? I can open the tool and export a curve right into my DSP and it will set EQ and crossovers for me? I know I would need to do TA as that is install dependent. Just wanting to understand this a little better as I'm getting close to the point of needing to tune my car.
 
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