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Overlapping of crossover points ?

13K views 6 replies 6 participants last post by  Fish Chris 2  
#1 ·
Okay, I'm sure most everyone has heard of cross cancellation, of different speakers... like mids and mid-bass, or mid-bass and subs, from being overlapped at the crossover points. I've never really overlapped my X-over points, because of "what I have heard" about this.... But honestly, I've never had any personal experience with this myself. Then recently, I actually heard of one well known internet stereo guy who was overlapping the heck out of his mid-bass, and his mids, with no apparent issues ?
I'm curious if any of you have played with this, and if their were any benefits from doing this, OR, was it all bad, in every case ?
 
#2 ·
I've never personally had any luck with overlapping points because the hump in frequency sounds unnatural to me. Not every application has this hump so I do understand the need for certain installs. I prefer to underlap and use low crossover points and shallower slopes on the sub to integrate it with the front stage.
 
#3 · (Edited)
If everything is in phase and within the polar response of the driver then you should never have to do that. Putting a 1/2 octave gap or so between drivers helps maintain phase cohesion and intended acoustical x-over point when setting the electrical x-over point and when one driver plays at a much higher level than the other such as when the subwoofer is 20 db more than the midbass.
 
#4 ·
It depends on how things are summing , you can , it may or may not sound better.

The overlap can make the phase wraps sum more blurry like a low order slope would, which may or may not be beneficial. I’m always of the mind if it sounds better than go for it , but I would at least exhaust all efforts as to why a proper alignment isn’t working. Or choose an alignment that does work would be better yet.

Instead of overlap I would look at a raised/lowered crossover point with a shallower slope to try to get the sound right
 
#5 ·
If all else fails I use LR -24 between sub and midbass and 80 LPF on sub and 100 HPF on midbass. Midbass to midrange I might do LR -18 with matching crossover points but no overlap. Midrange to tweeter I might do LR -12 and matching crossover points. Works for me at least, usually.
 
#6 ·
You won’t get cancellation if drivers are inphase at the crossover points, if you do you need to visit phase and/or time alignment ??
 
#7 ·
Thanks to all of you. I've read and considered all of these responses. I think I'm just going to have to try a bunch of different things, and see for myself. I think each of these suggestions might work great... or terribly, completely based on the system which these things were being used with...