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I'm not sure if everyone was already aware of this, but I received an email from SI stating that the BM mkv subwoofer has been discontinued. "Sales did not justify continued production."

I always wanted to hear these subs. I couldn't believe this, as its highly regarded and sought after and mentioned often in the forum.
 

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I think those were produced in a buildhouse in China.

As he is a small customer, I think many of the issues were due to the buildhouse and most likely they did not care about his product.
 

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He has also confirmed that the M25, M3, and TM65 will no longer be made in favor of a cheaper component set. I don't really get the sales comment as at least the BM sold out before they even got to North Carolina. Seems like those have always been pretty popular. Guess they still weren't meeting expectations.
 

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I don't think it's about meeting expectations at all. I think they are specialized products that cost more to make. While profitable, they pay the bills but this business model isn't getting him through retirement. From comments I read it's a shift about making money over supplying a niche market of hobbyist with a product only they are willing to pay the high cost of manufacturing for. Slim down the product line, get less headaches, stream line production, make more money.
 

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reading some of the threads, it looks like he is shifting to different customers. It looks like a different price point (lower) which I thought his products when available were priced pretty well already. Ive also wondered why Sundown doesnt take (buy) some of the products and put them under their name. I thought he had a relationship(friends) or at one point they shared a building. I would think the tweets, mids, and midbass would sell pretty well under sundown. It seems like a shame to let some of products like those and bm subs die. Reviews of those products were always very solid.
 

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That’s a shame, SI did serve to produce a great sq product for the price point. Going down market will probably produce higher sales, just not cater as well to this forum..
 

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The unfortunate way of the world today. Its a challenge to be a successful entrepreneur as quality is a chore to mass produce independently. Tough to sustain the associated overhead. Falloff as such is trending.
 

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reading some of the threads, it looks like he is shifting to different customers. It looks like a different price point (lower) which I thought his products when available were priced pretty well already. Ive also wondered why Sundown doesnt take (buy) some of the products and put them under their name. I thought he had a relationship(friends) or at one point they shared a building. I would think the tweets, mids, and midbass would sell pretty well under sundown. It seems like a shame to let some of products like those and bm subs die. Reviews of those products were always very solid.
I'm pretty sure sundown was the designer of the subs or atleast helped. Most likely hes getting a cut. But dont quote me on that
 

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a better comparison would be popeyes chicken sandwich. I can't help but wonder, if you had to wait in line for that, how much crying you would do on the internet when you got home.
I heard they have an extra spicy version coming out soon, so spicy you have to sign a waiver to get it...... I'll let you know how it is.
 

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a better comparison would be popeyes chicken sandwich. I can't help but wonder, if you had to wait in line for that, how much crying you would do on the internet when you got home.
I heard they have an extra spicy version coming out soon, so spicy you have to sign a waiver to get it...... I'll let you know how it is.
Is it though? I mean if you only have 10 in stock and they sell decent does that really mean there is a hot market for them?
 

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Realize that 100 of those BMs could buy a very nice car. I know since I bought a run of those for commercial inwall subs. Nick is spending his money and he is the one figuring out what inventory sells well enough. Luckily for consumers, there are options, it’s not like SI has a monopoly.
 

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I heard they have an extra spicy version coming out soon, so spicy you have to sign a waiver to get it...... I'll let you know how it is.
I think the burn from that sandwich going down is nothing compared to the burn from that sandwich coming out later... Hence the waiver. :p :laugh:

Are you suggesting SI products should come with a waiver?! ;)
 

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Sometimes it only takes a single part of that sub that requires so much of a buy when you run out of it, that you would be buying a 10 year supply. So the decision is, do i want to upfront buy a 10 year supply of parts for something that might be 5% of my sales in a year. I'm guessing all speaker companies face similar decisions all the time.
 

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reading some of the threads, it looks like he is shifting to different customers. It looks like a different price point (lower) which I thought his products when available were priced pretty well already. Ive also wondered why Sundown doesnt take (buy) some of the products and put them under their name. I thought he had a relationship(friends) or at one point they shared a building. I would think the tweets, mids, and midbass would sell pretty well under sundown. It seems like a shame to let some of products like those and bm subs die. Reviews of those products were always very solid.

That would be nice - to see Sundown take these over. I sure hate to see good designs just get shelved. Seems it could be a prudent business decision for Sundown - expand the higher end SQ line with no design effort - really only SD occupying anything near that for them now. Not sure the nuts & bolts of that one, but in my mind it seems like a good idea :D
 

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Not sundowns market or customer base.
The sq crowd is much smaller and the sundown crowd wants huge bass with big flashy subs. The bmmkV is a very niche sub And not something with very high profit margins that will sell to the masses.
 

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Not sundowns market or customer base.
The sq crowd is much smaller and the sundown crowd wants huge bass with big flashy subs. The bmmkV is a very niche sub And not something with very high profit margins that will sell to the masses.
Not totally true. I think jacob has been working on an sq sub. Also his xbl2 components should be out soon. It's just there is a bigger market for spl so he has more products available for that
 

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I don't think it's about meeting expectations at all. I think they are specialized products that cost more to make. While profitable, they pay the bills but this business model isn't getting him through retirement. From comments I read it's a shift about making money over supplying a niche market of hobbyist with a product only they are willing to pay the high cost of manufacturing for. Slim down the product line, get less headaches, stream line production, make more money.
Discontinuing the BM mkV's was not an easy thing to do for many reasons including, but not limited to, the mkV's are the most reliable shallow BM ever. Over the life of the carbon fiber BM mkV's we have never had one sent in for warranty related issues. 100% of the BM mKV's work flawlessly. In production that's pretty tough to do as you usually have a small percentage that don't pass QC but the design of the driver and the build house that produces them are a great combination. They are a very very good subwoofer but/and they are a very niche market. Back when the first shallow BM's were offered they sold very well which is what kept them in production. Over the years we have seen a decline in sales each year even though the shallow BM has improved. After looking over the sales data over the years and this production run particularly yes they did almost completely sell out during pre-order however this run was split in half with one of our OEM clients which means that we received half the number of drivers we would have normally received. This production run was also half the size of our previous runs to begin with so we really received 1/4 of what we normally do. Yes they did sell, but at a 1/4 speed of normal.

Unfortunately putting capital into additional production runs of the BM mkV's doesn't look positive compared to putting that capital into another product which is why I had to pull the plug on the BM mkV's.
 

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Not totally true. I think jacob has been working on an sq sub. Also his xbl2 components should be out soon. It's just there is a bigger market for spl so he has more products available for that
I agree. The big money is in SPL and us essque folks are just along looking for those diamonds in the rough.
 
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