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Yes. They are in stock and ready to ship.
Nick, I'm interested in a pair of the TM65 MK III's for a friend's install.

Will these ever be available again? If so, any idea when?

Just need to make a decision on what to use so we can move forward with the install.

Thanks!

PS: sending an email as well.
 

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Nick, I'm interested in a pair of the TM65 MK III's for a friend's install.

Will these ever be available again? If so, any idea when?

Just need to make a decision on what to use so we can move forward with the install.

Thanks!

PS: sending an email as well.
Never tried emailing but Nick has been very responsive via Facebook Messenger. Maybe try him there too?

https://www.facebook.com/stereointegrity/
 

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Never tried emailing but Nick has been very responsive via Facebook Messenger. Maybe try him there too?

https://www.facebook.com/stereointegrity/
This is actually one of Nick’s communication challenges, he gets tons of emails, Facebook messages, forum messages, etc and it is hard to stay on top of all of those communications. Not an excuse but it is definitely challenging.
 

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Never tried emailing but Nick has been very responsive via Facebook Messenger. Maybe try him there too?

https://www.facebook.com/stereointegrity/
This is actually one of Nick’s communication challenges, he gets tons of emails, Facebook messages, forum messages, etc and it is hard to stay on top of all of those communications. Not an excuse but it is definitely challenging.

Thanks for the response, gentlemen. Unfortunately I'm "one of THOSE guys" that doesn't do Facebook for a variety of reasons. :blush:

If I don't get a response soon I'll try giving a call during normal business hours.

Thanks again.

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I, too am interested in a set for another little project
Nick got back to me via my Email several days ago. :thumbsup:

Most of you probably already know this if you follow SI on Facebook, but for those that don't, here is Nick's reply:

"Billy,

  We do not have any more TM65's in stock. We have no plans to continue production of those but we are working with along side another designer to bring out a 6.5/tweeter set with a passive crossover. We will keep our Facebook page updated with any/all progress on those.

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It's a bummer that the TM65-III will no longer be available. Such a great driver for a great price. Hindsight is 20/20...I should've bought some extras sooner. :blush:

I didn't ask about the M3 mids or M25 tweeters. I can only assume that Nick will not be continuing production of those either. But again, just an assumption.

I'm curious to see what the new passive component set is all about, but I'm more interested in individual raw drivers.

For those of us here, I think it seems a bit strange for SI to be coming out with a set that includes passive XOs when relatively inexpensive DSPs are so prevalent. But I guess it must be what the general public/mainstream car audio buyers want? It must be the case, as several manufacturers such as Audiofrog also offer passive X/Os.

Time will tell, but I hope the new component set is the shiznit and successful.

For those that have the TM65-III's, enjoy them you lucky [email protected]@rds! :p
 

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Nick got back to me via my Email several days ago. :thumbsup:

Most of you probably already know this if you follow SI on Facebook, but for those that don't, here is Nick's reply:

"Billy,

  We do not have any more TM65's in stock. We have no plans to continue production of those but we are working with along side another designer to bring out a 6.5/tweeter set with a passive crossover. We will keep our Facebook page updated with any/all progress on those.

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Nick

Stereo Integrity
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It's a bummer that the TM65-III will no longer be available. Such a great driver for a great price. Hindsight is 20/20...I should've bought some extras sooner. :blush:

I didn't ask about the M3 mids or M25 tweeters. I can only assume that Nick will not be continuing production of those either. But again, just an assumption.

I'm curious to see what the new passive component set is all about, but I'm more interested in individual raw drivers.

For those of us here, I think it seems a bit strange for SI to be coming out with a set that includes passive XOs when relatively inexpensive DSPs are so prevalent. But I guess it must be what the general public/mainstream car audio buyers want? It must be the case, as several manufacturers such as Audiofrog also offer passive X/Os.

Time will tell, but I hope the new component set is the shiznit and successful.

For those that have the TM65-III's, enjoy them you lucky [email protected]@rds! :p
Looks like it's true. No more TM65. Really curious why?

Yeah, I don't get the passive thing either. Seems like a step back in time, but I guess we'll see. I sure do hate to install drivers knowing no backups are available though. Tempted to sell my set of MkIIIs and go with a set of SBs.
 

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I talked to Nick from SI recently - I’m not speaking for him, but it appears to be a business decision. He did an analysis of his sales for the last couple years, and he evaluated many of the communications he has received over that time period.

The analysis showed that a large percentage of the folks who contact them are looking for a solution that isn’t about raw drivers and active processors. He has had guys on the phone - about to give cc info ask if crossovers are included. He explained that the M25’s, M3’s, and TM65’s are raw drivers that are intended to be utilized in an active set up. Well, that isn’t what the customer wanted.

He seems to be looking in a different direction - focusing on the potential larger customer pool than those on DIYMA, and he has decided to not attempt to support both models - active raw driver model and the 2 way with crossover model.


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That's really weird and I am just thinking out loud here. If he in fact has more people calling him to do a comp set versus raw drivers, wouldn't it be easier to get a passive designed and built versus scraping the tweeter and the Mid. Unless he is thinking some budget line that priced lower than the set but I would do a high end raw driver line and lower end consumer comp set.
 

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You make good points, and I’m sure those items were factored into his thinking. It is fairly easy for me to say, “why don’t you just do ‘x’, or wouldn’t it make more sense to do ‘y’?”, but he has been in this industry for a while, and he has more information than I do about what he is seeing in the industry.

Cost may be another factor - it takes a good amount of capitol and the ‘guarantee’ of future revenue to maintain a couple different inventory lines - and that might not be advantageous at the moment along with his home audio ventures.


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I am sure it also has to do with finances. It takes a lot of upfront cost to have multiple products sitting on a shelf. He probably has to make a choice of what is going to make him the most money and sit on the shelf the shortest amount of time.

Now he could potentially do some pre-sale stuff like he has in the past, but that can cause issues as I am sure a bunch of us have seen. I personally don't think the issues that those can cause are worth that effort.
 

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And the MOQ (minimum order quantity) can get expensive. Think about a speaker that might cost $100 for a nice round number, doesn’t sound so bad until you figure out that many build companies have a MOQ of 200 units and you all of a sudden figure out how expensive it is to carry inventory. And inventory cost is also known as carrying cost and with anything inventory, you want to minimize those costs while having product available to sale. Not easy decisions.
 

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Yeah, it's DEFINITELY not an easy business. And there is a crazy amount of competition coming at you from all sides, and from large corporations that have big marketing and advertising budgets.

Unfortunately, from my experience with these types of product categories and in this segment of the marketplace, it's important to maintain several lines at different quality levels & pricepoints, for a variety of reasons.

A) The High-End Product Line...to show that you are a serious contender and that all of your products are based on a foundation of high-end technology & engineering, and that you can compete with the "big boys". For those that want the best, you have that category covered. (And still at reasonable price points compared to the competition).

B) At least one "point of entry" product line that "gets people in the door" and offers really good performance, but at an accessible price for the masses. Something on the order of, "Our 'Performance' line offers nearly all of our proprietary, trickle-down technology from our "Expert" line, but using soft parts & hardware that allow us to offer an excellent level of performance at substantial savings. The 'Performance' line is our absolute best value for excellent SQ without the 'High-End' price tag!"

C) But you also need to have "B" as a "stepping stone" to "A". And you need to maintain "B" as a supplementary line to "A". For instance, I have the ''Expert" line as my front stage, and the "Performance" line for rear fill, or to cover the rear passengers. Or I have the "Expert" line in my main "fun" vehicle, and the "Performance" line in the family SUV or minivan, etc. "But when money permits, I'll switch everything over to the 'Expert' line". This allows for more potential sales overall.

Look at how Hybrid Audio Technologies and Audiofrog have developed their lineup over time and continue to maintain them. You'll see the same across most brands, and in all of the products they offer.

Obviously, producing and maintaining the multiple lineups requires a huge investment and commitment! But I know of several companies that maintain a "break-even" product that helps to support their "money maker" product(s) just so that "on the books" they can acquire better investment financing and can show and project increased sales numbers. Or vice-versa.

I know that it might not make sense, but if I can show the bank that there is potential for several thousand orders of my "break-even" product line, with future potential for increased profits as economies of scale grow (lower manufacturing cost with increased quantities over time in the future), this looks better for sustained business and income growth compared to coming to the table with just 100 potential orders for my "premier" product.

So the "break-even" product supports the financing to manufacture & produce the "money maker" product line, where otherwise you might not be able to obtain or create the capital to get ANY of your products manufactured.

One thing is for sure...

It takes money to make money. It's rough out there! :(

Yes, it seems logical to just produce a Passive Crossover network for the TM65-III/M3/M25 since all of the R&D and tooling for the drivers is already in place. And I would LOVE to see that happen.

But, as Jason said, those still might be at too high of a price point for the potential customers he is targeting. He needs that "point of entry" or general consumer product line first.
 

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I talked to Nick from SI recently - I’m not speaking for him, but it appears to be a business decision. He did an analysis of his sales for the last couple years, and he evaluated many of the communications he has received over that time period.

The analysis showed that a large percentage of the folks who contact them are looking for a solution that isn’t about raw drivers and active processors. He has had guys on the phone - about to give cc info ask if crossovers are included. He explained that the M25’s, M3’s, and TM65’s are raw drivers that are intended to be utilized in an active set up. Well, that isn’t what the customer wanted.

He seems to be looking in a different direction - focusing on the potential larger customer pool than those on DIYMA, and he has decided to not attempt to support both models - active raw driver model and the 2 way with crossover model.
Correct.

That's really weird and I am just thinking out loud here. If he in fact has more people calling him to do a comp set versus raw drivers, wouldn't it be easier to get a passive designed and built versus scraping the tweeter and the Mid. Unless he is thinking some budget line that priced lower than the set but I would do a high end raw driver line and lower end consumer comp set.
In our growth over the past 2 years regarding component speakers I looked over one key item: that most of my customers want a turn-key component set. DIYMA is great but DIYMA accounts for less than 15% of my total sales these days. I love you guys and enjoy the discussions, tech talk, etc, but where I/we (DIYMA enthusiasts) are in terms of system design is not the same place that a lot of people are in car audio. Meaning us here on DIYMA assume we need a 4 channel amplifier with full crossover abilities per channel, without a DSP, to run a single pair of components actively. Almost everyone else shy's away from that. As Jason pointed out, I can not tell you how many customers have told me "Oh, it doesn't include crossovers and I need two 4 channel amps to run two sets of your component speakers...yeah...I'll call you back" only to never hear from them again.

We are working with another company to develop a passive set of 6.5's/tweeters/crossovers for under $400 shipped. Said 6.5s will have more midbass than our previous TM65's with a normal amount of applied power with smoother midrange. The 6.5 will use a 2" coil and have 6 mm of Xmax with a slightly higher Qe/Qt than normal to achieve the most midbass performance possible while using choice components to get smoother, more airy, midrange out of an in-door application. The tweeter will be a slightly oversized unit (larger than 25 mm) capable of playing out to/past where most of our ears stop at 16,000/20,000 Hz. Passive network will be small and easy to mount. A complete package.

I am sure it also has to do with finances. It takes a lot of upfront cost to have multiple products sitting on a shelf. He probably has to make a choice of what is going to make him the most money and sit on the shelf the shortest amount of time.

Now he could potentially do some pre-sale stuff like he has in the past, but that can cause issues as I am sure a bunch of us have seen. I personally don't think the issues that those can cause are worth that effort.
Pre-sales have been good for us in the past but we fully realize who our market is and a fairly expensive ($500+) active component set is not that market. These new 6.5/tweeter component sets will sell considerably quicker to our current market. Our market wants stellar performance with a passive crossover network without without spending $1,000 on the set.
 

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We are working with another company to develop a passive set of 6.5's/tweeters/crossovers for under $400 shipped. Said 6.5s will have more midbass than our previous TM65's with a normal amount of applied power with smoother midrange. The 6.5 will use a 2" coil and have 6 mm of Xmax with a slightly higher Qe/Qt than normal to achieve the most midbass performance possible while using choice components to get smoother, more airy, midrange out of an in-door application. The tweeter will be a slightly oversized unit (larger than 25 mm) capable of playing out to/past where most of our ears stop at 16,000/20,000 Hz. Passive network will be small and easy to mount. A complete package.
Sounds great, Nick. Looking forward to it!

Curious if you'd consider selling both the 6.5" and tweeter individually as raw drivers for those that are already running active? Or would that throw a hitch in production & inventory of complete sets?

Thanks for taking the time to post all of the information that you did. Great insight. :thumbsup:
 

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We are working with another company to develop a passive set of 6.5's/tweeters/crossovers for under $400 shipped. Said 6.5s will have more midbass than our previous TM65's with a normal amount of applied power with smoother midrange. The 6.5 will use a 2" coil and have 6 mm of Xmax with a slightly higher Qe/Qt than normal to achieve the most midbass performance possible while using choice components to get smoother, more airy, midrange out of an in-door application. The tweeter will be a slightly oversized unit (larger than 25 mm) capable of playing out to/past where most of our ears stop at 16,000/20,000 Hz. Passive network will be small and easy to mount. A complete package.
Sounds great, Nick. Looking forward to it!

Curious if you'd consider selling both the 6.5" and tweeter individually as raw drivers for those that are already running active? Or would that throw a hitch in production & inventory of complete sets?

Thanks for taking the time to post all of the information that you did. Great insight.
Yes sir. I forgot to mention that, but yes the raw components will be available without the crossovers.
 
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