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What is wrong with public schooling in the U.S?



The Purpose Of Schooling - John Taylor Gatto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEWPbTad_Q





Weapons of Mass Instruction - John Taylor Gatto at the Learning In Our Own Way Conference - 2005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZPUSydzaFE





"Why Do Kids Shoot Up Schools?" - John Taylor Gatto on Columbine - C-SPAN - 2001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9nb7OzUIb8



Books:

The Underground History of American Education, Volume I: An Intimate Investigation into the Prison of Modern Schooling
https://www.amazon.com/Underground-History-American-Education-Investigation/dp/0998919101/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532193219&sr=1-1&keywords=john+taylor+gatto


Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling
https://www.amazon.com/Dumbing-Down-Curriculum-Compulsory-Schooling/dp/0865718547/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532193219&sr=1-3&keywords=john+taylor+gatto


Weapons of Mass Instruction: A Schoolteacher's Journey Through the Dark World of Compulsory Schooling
https://www.amazon.com/Weapons-Mass-Instruction-Schoolteachers-Compulsory/dp/0865716692/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1532193219&sr=1-4&keywords=john+taylor+gatto
 

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How would you change the public school system if you had the means to do so? It's a pretty complex issue that also stems from the societal/parental attitudes towards education. I think philosophy/critical thinking classes would be a good start. My first exposure to actual philosophy was my 2nd year of college. A bit sad D:
 

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How would you change the public school system if you had the means to do so? It's a pretty complex issue that also stems from the societal/parental attitudes towards education. I think philosophy/critical thinking classes would be a good start. My first exposure to actual philosophy was my 2nd year of college. A bit sad D:
In short, I really don't know. I would not be in any way comfortable with such means, nor am I in any way remotely qualified to do so. FWIW, I agree with you on all counts.
 

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Perhaps big questions require big answers?

I’ve concluded that genius is as common as dirt. We suppress genius because we haven’t yet figured out how to manage a population of educated man and women. The solution, I think, is simple and glorious. Let them manage themselves. -John Taylor Gatto
 

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I wish I knew some of the answers to improving the schools. The schools here have been failing to even meet the state minimum requirements for grades. It's definitely something my wife and I are going thought to as our kids get older.

The crazy thing is I have volunteered at the elementary school here, kids that age are like sponges. They were so easy to teach and willing to learn. I realize there is always going to be the one kid who no matter what, is unable to learn whether due to mental issues or other factors, but the majority can and should be passing basic standards.

I have thought about trying to join the school board, with the goal of learning a little more about how things are run and hopefully, helping to improve things.
 

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There seems to be a large sector on the far right that is bent on dismantling public schools by shifting funds to private schools.
 

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I would encourage everyone to watch (or simply listen to) the videos and/or read the books.

Barring that, I suppose I should point out that the fundamental point of this thread is to draw a distinction between schooling and education (not between public and private schools).
 

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Right now, I believe there are so many factors regarding schools that are failing or will fail. The last state I was in, Indiana, has had a 13% drop in initial licenses for teachers. That means there will be less qualified teachers really soon. In my view, the teaching profession has become demonized to some extent and no one wants to be a demon. I had worked in an inner city school in Indianapolis and now work in a small rural school in Iowa. We still have some of the same challenges-retaining teachers, not enough substitute teachers, overcrowded classrooms, funding slipping away. Unfortunately, I can't just blame teachers, or parents, or the government. It's all of them. I love being in a school, but I think it is exponentially tougher than when I went through as a kid. The mental health issues are much more extreme and prevalent. Funding being shifted away from public schools. Teachers becoming the villains. Standardized testing requirements. Helping public education becomes a very daunting task when you sit down to look at it. What I really feel, is that public education has become such a political issue, that I don't know if it will ever be "fixed". Plus, there are so many fixes that might work somewhere, that won't or can't work in a different part of the country. What really sucks, is the one thing that will really help, money, is in short supply.
 

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so i live in okla. worst for public school teachers. my dad was a teacher here for 30 yrs and was pushed out by the system. i have 2 comments. first and foremost is funding for schools. i am fortunate to have bought a house within a good school system (there's a reason we bought where we did). whenever there's a bond or tax to help schools we always pass. but in the big public school system they wont pass anything. then there is the people that send there kid to school for a babysitter and don't do nothing with them. these 2 groups are the first ones to complain about size, teachers and little johnny cant read. its all about funding and being a parent. you have to be involved with your kids. to many young parent that don't give a shit
 

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i don't have the answer but something has to be done. i can tell you my kid doesn't goto school worried and its public. stuff happens everywhere. i get that. but its all about funding and teachers who want to be where they are. if the teachers who want to teach won't stay it doesn't matter
 

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The fundamental problem, as I see it, is the centralized control of public schooling. As teachers/parents/students/concerned citizens/local communities, our hands are tied.
 

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I highly recommend this in-depth five-part interview of John Taylor Gatto:
(with Richard Grove, of Tragedy and Hope https://tragedyandhope.com/ and https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnYKjBrI1ErwhDprla7Unwg)


1) The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto (Intro + Hour 1 of 5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8

2) The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto (Hour 2 of 5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_KjUiqg0Q

3) The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto (Hour 3 of 5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exGYyV7yMpY

4) The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto (Hour 4 of 5):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xgYQM5S7as

5) The Ultimate History Lesson: A Weekend with John Taylor Gatto (Hour 5 + Closing and Credits):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30fxRwkBbHc
 

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Bad education is just part of the Globalist Communist Agenda. It's not hard to connect all the dots and subjects discussed in the red pill thread. The problem is never going to be fixed, teach brain wash people through schools, media Hollywood that some groups are opressed to create conflict and division, for a global single government.

The state the unions, push the programs and methods designed to fail in most cases.
Private schools is the only solution if you can afford them. Same for trade schools over universities and colleges when it applies.






https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQepXUhJ98
 

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Bad education is just part of the Globalist Communist Agenda. It's not hard to connect all the dots and subjects discussed in the red pill thread. The problem is never going to be fixed, teach brain wash people through schools, media Hollywood that some groups are opressed to create conflict and division, for a global single government.

The state the unions, push the programs and methods designed to fail in most cases.
Private schools is the only solution if you can afford them. Same for trade schools over universities and colleges when it applies.

Yup, another reason I send my children to Catholic schools and pay a premium to do so after paying taxes for public schools, which in my area suck. I think of the awesome car audio I could afford if I didnt have to pay those tuitions.

O-well.

Note: I didn’t watch the video yet.
 

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I don't think simply giving more funding will make kids learn more. You can purchase all the iPads and expensive tech, pay teachers double, but if a kid is not motivated they will not learn.

My colleagues and I earned Engineering degrees with really not much more than a pencil and scrap paper from the recycling bin.

Also technology is really more of a distraction, schools are better off having more tutors to help the struggling kids. The A students are either bright, or have parents that are able to help.

Instead of buying all these computers and tech, why not pay some college students to aid the struggling students in the class?
 

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Dumb thread. All apologizes. I don't believe any one of you has any concept of the challenges facing public education. It's just what you've chosen to criticize for your entertainment on this forum.
 

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I think it starts with good parenting, but then again we will have to agree on what's "good" parenting.

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