I have a REAL one I'll give you if you pay shipping. It needs some TLC, It's a 1/4" 2 track and I believe it runs 15IPS at the fastest, I'll need to check.
fej said:I would love to know why .. we are all enthusiasts here, but look at the RCA thread (which happens at EVERY audio board at some point, and then usually yearly). What you hear is just not the same as what I hear ... and no science can explain that, well at least at this point. I would love to know why DDD recorded material is usually crystal clear but just seems to lack true warmth (at least IMO) I think it may just be too clean heh. I would like to know why someone listening to their $1500 ipod cable through their $2000 mini amp feels it is better than their $12 cable and $65 amp. Same source material ... what science can you put behind it?
There are facts that werewolf is presenting, there are experiences that AVI and many others are presenting, but at the end of the day we only know for sure what WE like and hear. Nothing science can do about it
Well said. Let's face it, a lot of us buy audio equipment for reasons other than pure sound output. Don't deny it folks, you've probably bought stuff based on looks before. If the cables make you feel better about your system for whatever reason (confidence, looks, organization, and so forth) then who's to say whether or not it's worth the extra money to you?Autiophile said:I don't mean to jump into any argument that can't be resolved on the forum, however, my feeling is that higher end cables simply make me feel like I know where the weak link is in my system. Coming from home audio my goal has always been to know (think) that my components were performing in their intended fasion. I have rewired rooms, used PS audio or Hospital grade outlets, driven grounding poles out in the yard, and spent a decent amount of money on cables.
The net benefit in all of this was confidence. I am confident that my home system is appropriately wired and I feel like it sounds better (even though it may be a placebo effect). In the past year I have started making my own cables for my headphone setup as well as my car. Although they may not be as nice as my MIT or Tara Labs cables, I still have confidence because I know that I made them correctly and they are dependable.
My point is this: Even though the effects of all of this may be in my mind, I perceive a difference. It doesn't have to be expensive or from a well known brand. All the cables need to do is give me confidence that they are not my weak link.
are you taling about microphone shapes? That's not an electrical component, it's physical, which can affect the sound... like the shape of a speaker.MIAaron said:I don't know, the other night I was hanging out with my nephew and we found shape could have an impact on the sound. We had two mic's built of similar materials but in different shapes. With a GENUINE Dupont Micro-fiber interconnect we found a Campbell mic did provide descent results, but we preferred the more authoritative tone of the larger Progresso. How do you explain that with RLC?
MIAaron said:I apologize Thor, I failed to get my point across. Please dont read any more into my post as it was a bad joke. I gotta say you gave a good answer though, cuz in the context of my post physical traits are the only ones that matter.
There is also something to be said for efficient allocation of resources. If people who obsess about wires channeled that energy and cash into fine-tuning speaker placement by measurement and ear, optimizing their listening rooms, etc., the bottom line is that they would have objectively more accurate (not necessarily better-sounding, of course, but probably so) systems.Thoraudio said:there is something to be said for perception.
But you also have to keep in mind (no pun intended) that the brain makes an attempt to compensate for the early transduction mechanisms that may give rise to odd FR/phase behaviors. So ear issues, as long as they're not rapidly dynamic (eg. ear wax, eustachian tube dysfunction, sudden hearing loss, etc), are for the most part taken care of by the brain. That is, the shape of the ear canal and the pinna and the significant variation in the bones that underlie the transduction don't play much of a role in the end, because the brain has already addressed it.Autiophile said:You're right, this is a thread about the science of cables. There have been several of these threads over the past few days and it seems to me that the whole argument is an issue of perception vs. scientific measurement. By simply focusing on RLC or measurable audible differences we leave out the most complex part of the system, our minds.
Over on Headfi.com we have gotten into discussions about the differences in the shapes of peoples ear canals and how they impact sound, to the point where many individuals have seperate level controls for Left and Right channels to provide compensation. Before I digress too far, my point is simply to remind everyone of the complex, multivariate, nature of perception.
Difficult to resist, huh?werewolf said:Man these threads always go the same way ... the only mystery in the realm of cables may just be, why i never seem to learn
You know there's a problem when physicists have resorted to create names for ficticious "stuff" in an attempt to explain away nonlinearities that really shouldn't be all that unexpected in a nonlinear universe. That A+B don't equal C does not necessarily mean that there's a missing term on the left side of the equation. It could simply mean that the operator is wrong. Basically, I consider the whole thing to be a problem that only points out that we don't know everything there is to know about how the universe operates, rather than the notion that we're missing components. Which is why the whole notion of "dark matter" and "dark energy" are terribly misleading.2. The existence of dark matter and dark energy, which seem to cause to rate of expansion of the universe to be increasing ... beyond all expectation.
I think you're giving in too much, werewolf. All but the most esoteric designs (which are probably also the most expensive) will provide virtually zero perceptible effects by virtue of the sound alone. And when you take into account the imperfections inherent in a car, any measurable effects will be completely swamped.Once again ... I am NOT suggesting that all cables sound the same. That's an hypothesis that would be ridiculously easy to disprove. I am, however, suggesting ... or rather, stating as factual with the same confidence that the earth will continue to rotate tomorrow ... that any sonic differences are attributable to RLC analysis (contact metallurgy and noise immunity aside).