[CoastieRon]

Next up are three 6x9 contenders I think everyone wants to see together. The AudioFrog GS690 vs the CDT 6x9 vs the Morel Temp Untra MW 6x9. All of these are designed for car audio and are intended for use in two way or three way systems. The fs for the AF is 58.3 Hz, CDT 52 Hz, and Morel 52.64 Hz. The Qts for the AF is .649, CDT .568, and Morel .40 and all are suited for IB use. Inductance is as follows AF .18 mH, CDT .63, and Morel .36 mH. I used the ts parameter from @SWRocket , post #62 for the CDT and they seemed to work out although the cone displacement was kind of low.

CDT (red) vs AF GS690 (blue) vs Morel Tempo Ultra (purple)

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Cone displacement on all of these are very similar at 70 watts.

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I feel as though AudioFrog is the one to beat in all of these comparisons. Maybe I should just pull the trigger on a set.

I am curious how the Audison AP-8's would model. Seem extremely affordable for 8" midbass. I see them listed from $249-$299 a pair.

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I'm curious about this as well. I like the idea of an 8" in a 2 way system for some odd reason....

 

[JCsAudio]

An 8” for a two way with tweeter is not a good idea mainly because the larger diameter speaker runs into beaming early which makes the higher frequencies drop off and the tweeter can’t cross low enough to make up for it. The Audiofrog GS690 with GB15 does work well so I would say that is somewhat an exception.

 

[CoastieRon]

An 8” for a two way with tweeter is not a good idea mainly because the larger diameter speaker runs into beaming early which makes the higher frequencies drop off and the tweeter can’t cross low enough to make up for it. The Audiofrog GS690 with GB15 does work well so I would say that is somewhat an exception.

They'll be used in a 2 way with widebands (CDT ES2EX) in pods crossed at 500....

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[JCsAudio]

In that case your all set. 👍

 

[CoastieRon]

In that case your all set.

One last thing, could you compare the Audiofrog 6x9, the moreltempo ultra 6x9 with this?

(Attached picture has all the specs)

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[JCsAudio]

Yes, but I think I have to use a different computer or use BassBox Pro in safe mode to make it work.

 

[itsZiz]

@JCsAudio Could you please model the AF690 vs HATu69v2 vs ARIES SK8

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[ckirocz28]

Yes, but I think I have to use a different computer or use BassBox Pro in safe mode to make it work.

Got a request and specs for the Dayton Audio Epique E180HE-44, when you can get things working right again.

Dayton Audio Epique E180HE-44

• Piston Diameter = 132 mm
• f(s)= 42.932 Hz
• R(e)= 6.6502 Ohms
• Z(max)= 45.979 Ohms
• Q(ms)= 3.9691
• Q(es)= 0.67114
• Q(ts)= 0.57407
• V(as)= 10.826 liters (0.3823 cubic feet)
• L(e)= 1.6225 mH
• n(0)= 0.1217 %
• SPL= 82.953 1W/1m
• M(ms)= 33.391 grams
• C(ms)= 0.412 mm/N
• BL= 9.4473
• K(r)= 2.8753
• X(r)= 0.14338
• K(i)= 0.0005886
• X(i)= 0.91977 *

 

[Picassotheimpaler]

I second the epique. Super interesting driver.
I think I may wana make a set of home towers with a couple of these. Just unsure as to what home amps could comfortably power them lol

 

[ckirocz28]

I second the epique. Super interesting driver.
I think I may wana make a set of home towers with a couple of these. Just unsure as to what home amps could comfortably power them lol

They don't like 300 watts, they get a little smelly, but I clipped that 300 watts, so a clean 300 might be ok. They definitely don't bottom out like the Anarchy's.

 

[Picassotheimpaler]

They don't like 300 watts, they get a little smelly, but I clipped that 300 watts, so a clean 300 might be ok. They definitely don't bottom out like the Anarchy's.

Xo at what point w/ 300w without bottoming them out? That's just crazy impressive considering how high they are still able to play.

 

[ckirocz28]

Xo at what point w/ 300w without bottoming them out? That's just crazy impressive considering how high they are still able to play.

That was 87 hz low pass running as subs, haven't gotten around to pairing them with tweeters to try a 2-way yet, it requires hooking up a different amp so I don't have to retune my current setup.
They are impressive as subs.

 

[Picassotheimpaler]

That was 87 hz low pass running as subs, haven't gotten around to pairing them with tweeters to try a 2-way yet, it requires hooking up a different amp so I don't have to retune my current setup.
They are impressive as subs.

I've heard they actually do quite good in the higher octaves as well. So if they actually follow up on that promise too, that's unreal.

 

[SiW80]

That was 87 hz low pass running as subs, haven't gotten around to pairing them with tweeters to try a 2-way yet, it requires hooking up a different amp so I don't have to retune my current setup.
They are impressive as subs.

What size box were they in?


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[Six God]

jbl GTI 670 should fit this criteria right?
they are essentially the gb60 but less flat

 

[ckirocz28]

What size box were they in?


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0.14 cubic foot modified 6x9 prefab boxes, heavily stuffed. Not optimal, but they are the boxes that I used for the Anarchy's. The Dayton's model nicely for a 0.25 cubic foot box, each.

 

[oabeieo]

Good Thread , took me days to get caught up....

 

[Dasyce]

I’m keeping fingers crossed that JCsAudio’s computer issues get resolved soon. This is an awesome thread!

 

[1978monte]

How about the "paper" version of the Dayton RS225?

I have a pair of the 8 ohm models I've been thinking about trying in a 3 way.

Great thread by the way!

 

[e39 touring]

Can I make a request, I’d love to see how the JBL 660/670GTI midbass drivers compare to some of these drivers. I don’t think Harmon ever made a better car audio specific woofer.

Apparently, their lowest distortion spec driver EVER.
I just moved my pair from e30 convertible 3 way duty (88-444Hz) to my daily 2 way setup in the 05 Tc (80-2800Hz). Tuning was super easy(Ms8), and a MUCH better improvement over the Silver Flutes!
I can tell there is less distortion at high volumes. Vocals are clearer. MB seems more solid.


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