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hi Im noOb. i got 2 pairs of Mpyre 65, 1 pair of Seas neo tweters and a Cadence TXA-3004. How i can wired the speakers at 2ohm to get 150 for each channel?. Im using only 1 pair of the mpyre crossovers. any sugestion please

TXA-3004
75 x 4 @ 4 Ohm
150 x 4 @ 2 Ohm
300 x 2 @ 4 Ohm


Mpyre 65
150w rms @ 4 ohm

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hi Im noOb. i got 2 pairs of Mpyre 65, 1 pair of Seas neo tweters and a Cadence TXA-3004. How i can wired the speakers at 2ohm to get 150 for each channel?. Im using only 1 pair of the mpyre crossovers. any sugestion please

TXA-3004
75 x 4 @ 4 Ohm
150 x 4 @ 2 Ohm
300 x 2 @ 4 Ohm


Mpyre 65
150w rms @ 4 ohm

Seas neo
90w @ 4ohm
You can't. If you are using one pair of speakers and they are 4 ohms, then you get 4 ohms. You can't wire them for 2 ohms unless you use both mids, but then you can't use that passive crossover since the crossover frequency changes drastically when you reduce the impedance by half by wiring the speakers in parallel, or if wired in series for 8 ohms.

I'd just use one set of mids.
 

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thanks u , i can wire 4 mpyre to channel 1 and 2 @ 2ohms and 1 seas neo on channel 3 and the other seas neo on channel 4 @ 4ohm?

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You have to understand, dropping the impedance to 2 ohms doesn't magically give you more power. The amp makes more power, but it now must divide that power between 2 drivers instead of one. It's not a magic box you can open up and instantly get twice the power to your system.

You cannot do what you are asking. If you want 150w for your drivers, you need to buy a 150w x 4 amp. If you had a component set that was 2 ohm, then yes, you would have 150w and it would be noticeably louder, but 2 ohm components are very rare.
 

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if i run the speaker active i dont need it right?

Correct, you wouldn't need the passive crossover. Keep in mind though, if you plan on using both mids just to get the impedance down to two ohms, you are going about this the wrong way. I still recommend using just one set unless you have some plan for both sets, that's not just to load the amp down to two ohms.
 

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thanks for the quick reply so best way only one pair i can run them active with the amp crossover? one pair bridged to channel 1,2 and tweeters to 3, 4 ?
 

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The Cadence's crossover will not allow you to run those actively. You will need to do it with an external processor or a HU.

What is your goal? Do you just want this to be loud? If that's all you're after, go ahead and bridge two Mpyres to each channel (you will still need a processor to do this), but you realize that the amp's power is now split between two instead of one. The benefit is that you have twice the area, but each woofer is not getting twice the power.
 

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thanks for the quick reply so best way only one pair i can run them active with the amp crossover? one pair bridged to channel 1,2 and tweeters to 3, 4 ?
If the amps crossover goes high enough, you can go that route. Actually nothing would be bridged. You have 4 speakers and 4 channels.

I just did some quick checking and it looks like the crossover only goes up to 250hz so you can't use the amps crossover.

You might try bridging the amp for two channels and using the passive crossover. If not that, you'll need a deck with a better crossover, or a separate electronic crossover.
 

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The Cadence's crossover will not allow you to run those actively. You will need to do it with an external processor or a HU.

What is your goal? Do you just want this to be loud? If that's all you're after, go ahead and bridge two Mpyres to each channel (you will still need a processor to do this), but you realize that the amp's power is now split between two instead of one. The benefit is that you have twice the area, but each woofer is not getting twice the power.
Each woofer is getting the same power, but the power is still doubled. Twice the surface area, twice the power is theoretically 6db increase. They will most definately get loud.

I also agree with those that said you need an active crossover / signal processor. I think they are 100% right and you should ditch the passive crossover, it does you no good whatsoever in this situation.
 

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Each woofer is getting the same power, but the power is still doubled. Twice the surface area, twice the power is theoretically 6db increase.
I didn't think it was anywhere near double the sound just because you doubled the surface area. It will most definitely be louder, but I don't think it's a full 6dB. Can anyone confirm it? In real world scenarios I thought it was a lot less.
 

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I didn't think it was anywhere near double the sound just because you doubled the surface area. It will most definitely be louder, but I don't think it's a full 6dB. Can anyone confirm it? In real world scenarios I thought it was a lot less.
I said theoretically, not real world ;)

Also, I said 6db because 3db for double the power, 3db for double the surface area.

If he runs 75wrms on one speaker, compare it to 150wrms on two speakers - that's double the power and double the surface area.

It's just a rule of thumb though it's not 100% accurate.
 

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I didn't think it was anywhere near double the sound just because you doubled the surface area. It will most definitely be louder, but I don't think it's a full 6dB. Can anyone confirm it? In real world scenarios I thought it was a lot less.
6db sounds about right, at least on paper.:D

I mean a speaker getting twice the power should be 3db louder, so twice the power total plus twice the drivers should be about 6db. That again is theoretically, on paper. That's not a given in every situation, but for the sake of argument, it would be 6db.
 

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Huh? The point I am making is that you don't get 150 watts to each Mpyre. You get 150 watts from each channel which is then divided equally by the number of drivers you have (assuming they are equal impedence). The amp makes 150w per channel, but each driver is still only getting 75--you just have two of them. You don't get double the power (to each driver) and double the surface area.

The rather convoluted formulas: http://www.termpro.com/articles/spkrz.html
 

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150 watts to 2 speakers is twice the power total of 75 watts to 1 speaker. No one said you get 150 watts to each speaker since that would be 4 times the total power.

Each speaker is still getting 75 watts each, but if he used 2 drivers per side, he now have 150 watts per side, with twice as many drivers. 6 db more.

Let's just say one driver on 75 watts can 105 db.

1 driver @ 75 watts = 105db
2 drivers @ 75 watts = 108db
2 drivers at 150 watts = 111db.
 

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Huh? The point I am making is that you don't get 150 watts to each Mpyre. You get 150 watts from each channel which is then divided equally by the number of drivers you have (assuming they are equal impedence). The amp makes 150w per channel, but each driver is still only getting 75--you just have two of them. You don't get double the power (to each driver) and double the surface area.

The rather convoluted formulas: Series Vs. Parallel Wiring

I think you got confused - his amp doesn't do the same wattage at all impedence. If you half the impedence it puts out double power.

One speaker = 4 ohms, so you get 75wrms / channel
Two speakers = 2 ohms, so you get 150wrms / channel - this is effectively doubling the power
 

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I think you got confused - his amp doesn't do the same wattage at all impedence. If you half the impedence it puts out double power.

One speaker = 4 ohms, so you get 75wrms / channel
Two speakers = 2 ohms, so you get 150wrms / channel - this is effectively doubling the power
The amp is making 150w per channel, but it now must power two drivers with that same 150w instead of one at 4 ohms. Each driver still gets the same power, you just have two of them. That's all I was saying. It's no louder than powering one from each channel. You still have 4 drivers, each getting 75w. Different path, same result. The only problem is that he loses his other two channels.

Many noobs have the impression that all speakers are going to now get double the power if you halve the impedance which would be crazy. The amp works twice as hard, but each individual speaker is still getting the same power--you just have more speakers now which naturally produces more sound.
 

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The amp is making 150w per channel, but it now must power two drivers with that same 150w. Each driver still gets the same power, you just have two of them. That's all I was saying.

Many noobs have the impression that all speakers are going to now get double the power if you halve the impedance which would be crazy. The amp works twice as hard, but the speakers are still getting the same power--you just have more speakers now.
However, the total amount of power that is being generated is double, which increases output by roughly 3db (as said before, on paper)

That's in addition to the obvious 3db gain from double surface area.
 

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The amp is making 150w per channel, but it now must power two drivers with that same 150w instead of one at 4 ohms. Each driver still gets the same power, you just have two of them. That's all I was saying.

Many noobs have the impression that all speakers are going to now get double the power if you halve the impedance which would be crazy. The amp works twice as hard, but the speakers are still getting the same power--you just have more speakers now which naturally produces more sound.

Well I believe the whole debate started when it was stated that the increase in loudness from doubling the amount of speakers and power would be 6 db which it would be but you didn't think it would be.

So I take it we are all at least on the same page now as far that goes.:)
 
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