[BobTheBirdTurd]

I personally like the Director better.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

Amazon upsampled everything when I used it, don’t get too excited…

To save everyone time, the app manufacturers have to implement this dynamic sample rate, it’s not something you can select in options as far as I know 👍🏼

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Android restrictive layer downsaple everything to 16/48khz? If so that's what it should have shown on the Topping? Even if Amazon upsamples everything android should have downsapled it on the USB ouput.

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Android restrictive layer downsaple everything to 16/48khz? If so that's what it should have shown on the Topping? Even if Amazon upsamples everything android should have downsapled it on the USB ouput.

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if it's up-sampling everything now.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if it's up-sampling everything now.

Amazon may have upsampled, but I don't think android is. It's just putting out what ever Amazon is doing. At least that's what I'm hoping.

 

[dumdum]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Android restrictive layer downsaple everything to 16/48khz? If so that's what it should have shown on the Topping? Even if Amazon upsamples everything android should have downsapled it on the USB ouput.

That’s the stupid thing, Amazon override the android audio layer and upsampled everything from memory instead of making it native like uapp does… it may also be using the new dynamic sample rate, needs more testing, but that’s kinda why I threw what I did out there… could do with testing at 96khz and 44.1khz as you defo couldn’t get those sample rates other than with uapp

You can also limit Amazon to a maximum rate

 

[dumdum]

That's what I was thinking. I wonder if it's up-sampling everything now.

Amazon did indeed do just that which was stupid as they could have made it dynamic, which would’ve been awesome 2 yrs or more ago when I was testing

There will be a post by me 3-4yrs ago where I posted my results of various apps and sample rates in android

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

I'm going to load some files with various sample rates on my phone and see what happens. I've got plenty of FLAC that I ripped myself, some WAV, and a boat load of ****ty MP3.

 

[Cutaway]

To save everyone time, the app manufacturers have to implement this dynamic sample rate, it’s not something you can select in options as far as I know 👍🏼

^^ I think/hope this is the current stage of our waiting....^^


All of the music apps currently still get sampled to 48k, however, Samsung will up sample any signal >44.1 to 192k natively
Apple Music did just push out a new update on Android 14, but it doesn't appear that Apple has added the "bit perfect" feature yet, at least not as of this morning. Same with the Amazon Music App, it seems to still upsample everything to 48k, then with higher bit rates, Samsung takes it to 192 regardless of native bit rate

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

^^ I think/hope this is the current stage of our waiting....^^


All of the music apps currently still get sampled to 48k, however, Samsung will up sample any signal >44.1 to 192k natively
Apple Music did just push out a new update on Android 14, but it doesn't appear that Apple has added the "bit perfect" feature yet, at least not as of this morning. Same with the Amazon Music App, it seems to still upsample everything to 48k, then with higher bit rates, Samsung takes it to 192 regardless of native bit rate

Apple let's you choose the download sample rate. So your saying that regardless if I downloaded everything to 48khz my Samsung phone will upsaple to 192khz?

 

[Cutaway]

I have not had good experiences with Local Media on Samsung devices
But my posting was more in reference to Streaming as this has been my bain for a while and have had to settle with using an iPad mini in the vehicle to stream from while pocketing an Android phone

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

I have not had good experiences with Local Media on Samsung devices
But my posting was more in reference to Streaming as this has been my bain for a while and have had to settle with using an iPad mini in the vehicle to stream from while pocketing an Android phone

I always download when I add a track to my list. That's why I asked. It should stream at what ever I download at, if the Android is lifted.

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

I'm downloading and testing specific files with known sample rates. We will answer this question once and for all. I'm going to try several different tracks. ** NOTE: I am no expert, this is purely for entertainment and non-scientific value**

MP3 320 Kbps 44.1K
FLAC 44.1k 16bit
FLAC 96k 24bit
FLAC 96k 16bit
FLAC 192k 16bit

 

[winkychevelle]

I'm downloading and testing specific files with known sample rates. We will answer this question once and for all. I'm going to try several different tracks. ** NOTE: I am no expert, this is purely for entertainment and non-scientific value**

MP3 320 Kbps 44.1K
FLAC 44.1k 16bit
FLAC 96k 24bit
FLAC 96k 16bit
FLAC 192k 16bit

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The difference in 96 and 192 I'd be hard pressed anyone could prove they hear the difference.

Odd how the 24bit 96k presented differently

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

The difference in 96 and 192 I'd be hard pressed anyone could prove they hear the difference.

Odd how the 24bit 96k presented differently

Maybe, but what sounds better isn't what this is about. We are trying to see if Android 14 stopped screwing with the tracks. It's a simple test, play a track with a known sample rate and see what the Topping says. Streamed from Amazon showed 192 PCM, which we are pretty certain Amazon doesn't stream 192. So we are going to take the streaming out of the equation.

 

[squiers007]

The difference in 96 and 192 I'd be hard pressed anyone could prove they hear the difference.

Odd how the 24bit 96k presented differently

They all look different because they are different songs, not because the sample rates are different. Except for the last two which are pink noise...

 

[Promodmerc]

Still no A14 for Galaxy S23+ on T-Mobile

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

Ok, test results are in. Everything showed up as 48.0 PCM. Player was WinAmp. Odd that Amazon upsamples everything to 192.

 

[winkychevelle]

They all look different because they are different songs, not because the sample rates are different. Except for the last two which are pink noise...

Makes sense I only zoomed in enough to see the sample and but rate only saw the last 2 as pink noise.

 

[ItsonlyaHONDA]

Ok, test results are in. Everything showed up as 48.0 PCM. Player was WinAmp. Odd that Amazon upsamples everything to 192.

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That's disappointing, you think that's an app thing or still an android thing?

 

[BobTheBirdTurd]

That's disappointing, you think that's an app thing or still an android thing?

I think it's an Android thing. I'll try a different app, but I think the results will be the same. I'll try Samsung's native player and see what happens.