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I like my little FR59EXE in pods in the A pillars, slightly above eye level for me. Aimed pretty much diagonal and on axis. Crossed at 300+ on 24dB LR filter, they keep most vocals way up in the middle of the glass and most bass centers on the top of the dash. My Alpine component 6x9's are band passed from 80-300 on the same slope, they play fantastic and will dig further down than my door treatments can handle. But no need, the little subs fill in beautifully.

I would love to see about moving the stage further "out" - this seems to be EQ related as well as position. Tips and ideas?
Distance ‘to’ stage is related to timing, phase (both need to be perfect... and I don’t mean just time alignment, I mean between freqs in the midrange as an example) and the position of the mids, depth of stage is down to the recording, some have depth in bucket loads, other recordings very little I find
 
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I like my little FR59EXE in pods in the A pillars, slightly above eye level for me. Aimed pretty much diagonal and on axis. Crossed at 300+ on 24dB LR filter, they keep most vocals way up in the middle of the glass and most bass centers on the top of the dash. My Alpine component 6x9's are band passed from 80-300 on the same slope, they play fantastic and will dig further down than my door treatments can handle. But no need, the little subs fill in beautifully.

I would love to see about moving the stage further "out" - this seems to be EQ related as well as position. Tips and ideas?
Those Founteks have like 1-1.5 mm excursion, they’re ok at 300hz?
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Okay, I don't have time to try and do a diagram but here are a few pictures. Let's open it up and you guys tell me how you would make the most of the space available.

Center - Left - Right Corners of Dash
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Center Space Available
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What I do NOT want to do is this:
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Or Worse This:
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I have nothing against pods but I got over custom sails & pillars long ago. Again, my objective is to keep all the vocals coming from the same area (not necessarily location but where you head tells you they're coming from). If that makes sense... 😂
 
Okay, I don't have time to try and do a diagram but here are a few pictures. Let's open it up and you guys tell me how you would make the most of the space available.

Center - Left - Right Corners of Dash
View attachment 286019

Center Space Available
View attachment 286020

What I do NOT want to do is this: View attachment 286021

Or Worse This: View attachment 286023

I have nothing against pods but I got over custom sails & pillars long ago. Again, my objective is to keep all the vocals coming from the same area (not necessarily location but where you head tells you they're coming from). If that makes sense... 😂
I actually like the mids in the dash firing into the glass. You get reflected on axis sound ...bad description probably...but it is far better than mids firing across the dash at each other like most oem a pillars.
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Those Founteks have like 1-1.5 mm excursion, they’re ok at 300hz?
They are fine at the levels I listen at. I prefer "sound quality" loud. They could go louder but honestly I don't play for anyone outside the truck. I tested with a wide range of vocal stuff as well to make sure and avoid harshness.
 
I actually like the mids in the dash firing into the glass. You get reflected on axis sound ...bad description probably...but it is far better than mids firing across the dash at each other like most oem a pillars.

They are fine at the levels I listen at. I prefer "sound quality" loud. They could go louder but honestly I don't play for anyone outside the truck. I tested with a wide range of vocal stuff as well to make sure and avoid harshness.
I’m pretty similar I don’t need 110db
 
I have measured somewhat and I see a lot of 85-90 dB levels, that's fine. I go loud enough to cover up road noise. Back in the day aka the 90's I had systems capable of 120-130, that was LOUD. I don't need nor want that anymore.
 
Okay, I don't have time to try and do a diagram but here are a few pictures. Let's open it up and you guys tell me how you would make the most of the space available.

Center - Left - Right Corners of Dash
View attachment 286019

Center Space Available
View attachment 286020

What I do NOT want to do is this: View attachment 286021

Or Worse This: View attachment 286023

I have nothing against pods but I got over custom sails & pillars long ago. Again, my objective is to keep all the vocals coming from the same area (not necessarily location but where you head tells you they're coming from). If that makes sense... 😂
That is how you have to position drivers, people often miss that some reflections can pull the perceived location inwards or outwards also 👍🏼
 
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“I have nothing against pods but I got over custom sails & pillars long ago. Again, my objective is to keep all the vocals coming from the same area (not necessarily location but where you head tells you they're coming from). If that makes sense... 😂“

What’s your beef with pillars/sails? I tested different above dash locations with my founteks in pvc caps before building my GS25 and lpg sails, and the overall response was better at sail location. You have stock dash locations that are designed for a decent response I believe. What would you do if you didn’t have those stock locations?
 
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“I have nothing against pods but I got over custom sails & pillars long ago. Again, my objective is to keep all the vocals coming from the same area (not necessarily location but where you head tells you they're coming from). If that makes sense... 😂“

What’s your beef with pillars/sails? I tested different above dash locations with my founteks in pvc caps before building my GS25 and lpg sails, and the overall response was better at sail location. You have stock dash locations that are designed for a decent response I believe. What would you do if you didn’t have those stock locations?
As I said, I have absolutely nothing against using pods or mounting speakers on the pillars/sails. But it's not something I want to do right now. I'm going to be spending a lot of time south of the border and even if I didn't want to go stealth for its own sake, attracting attention to your vehicle is not a good idea. My cars will be in locked garages, inside private communities, with private security when I'm home. But it's a car; and the whole point is to drive it to and from locations you have no control over.
 
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