[R]

I am looking to save changes to a new slot and not make changes to the current slot. That is where I run into the problem. IOW. I have incremental changes I want to save to a new slot without deleting my current config.

 

[R]

I ran another tune today. It works out much better.

QQ: I like the fact that I can use a virtual RTA to fix automation problems of the left side, drivers, and then the right side drivers. However, I really do wish that I knew how to have an RTA on the entire system playing together. To get rid of those unexpected bumps is it possible?

 

[JoeAyalaM]

Yes it is. Just do an RTA measurement, not Tune EQ, then find those peaks and manually EQ them down by linking virtual channels in relative EQ.

 

[Matt2023]

I ran another tune today. It works out much better.

QQ: I like the fact that I can use a virtual RTA to fix automation problems of the left side, drivers, and then the right side drivers. However, I really do wish that I knew how to have an RTA on the entire system playing together. To get rid of those unexpected bumps is it possible?

How much of a bump are we talking?
Can you hear it, rather then just measure it?

If each individual driver is tuned to thier target correctly including full slopes, matching its opposite pair, everything is level matched and timed correctly there should be very little need, if any, to eq combined response, left, right full system or otherwise for unexpected bumps.

Bumps in combined response are going to be one of three things, either extra energy in an individual speaker somewhere, the frequencies either side of the bump not summing correctly, or part of the car rattling/resonating when the full system is playing.

 

[R]

All good points. I will explore. And report back tomorrow. Ran out of time today.
I can tell you that I tend to virtual channel RTA the left and right front stage from 100hz to 600hz (bumps and dips). That refines the low end nicely. Above 600hz, I only keep the virtual RTA cuts to tame unwanted peaks (ie., I keep V-RTA cuts and zero out any V-RTA boosts).

 

[Hammer68]

It’s not in the wild yet 👍🏼

Amy update on ETA?

 

[R]

I had chat gpt help me to find information on how to better integrate my subwoofer. Based on information that I have found From helix themselves, specifically their DSP tuning guide, I had no idea that you shouldn’t auto EQ the sub. That you should just auto EQ the rest of the drivers, and focus on phase for the sub as well as leveling the volume of the sub to be within 3 to 6 dB of all of the other drivers playing together. Go figure! I can forgive myself as I am an amateur now that I have the house curved that I like, and it’s clear that it’s hard to do phase with DSP tool, it’s time to give total tuning a call for an updated tune.

 

[dumdum]

Amy update on ETA?

No official update other than it’s in the works

 

[dumdum]

I had chat gpt help me to find information on how to better integrate my subwoofer. Based on information that I have found From helix themselves, specifically their DSP tuning guide, I had no idea that you shouldn’t auto EQ the sub. That you should just auto EQ the rest of the drivers, and focus on phase for the sub as well as leveling the volume of the sub to be within 3 to 6 dB of all of the other drivers playing together. Go figure! I can forgive myself as I am an amateur now that I have the house curved that I like, and it’s clear that it’s hard to do phase with DSP tool, it’s time to give total tuning a call for an updated tune.

Where does it say you shouldn’t auto eq the sub? I use auto eq on subs…

I’d agree that phase alignment is essential for integration of the sub into the front stage, but by that I mean phase measurements 👍🏼

 

[JoeAyalaM]

And since PC Tool doesn't do phase measurements, you have to use REW or other software that do.

 

[joedumas24]

I had chat gpt help me to find information on how to better integrate my subwoofer. Based on information that I have found From helix themselves, specifically their DSP tuning guide, I had no idea that you shouldn’t auto EQ the sub. That you should just auto EQ the rest of the drivers, and focus on phase for the sub as well as leveling the volume of the sub to be within 3 to 6 dB of all of the other drivers playing together. Go figure! I can forgive myself as I am an amateur now that I have the house curved that I like, and it’s clear that it’s hard to do phase with DSP tool, it’s time to give total tuning a call for an updated tune.

I thought it was my mic as when I'm checking highs and mids I have output from 45-60Hz and when using auto eq on the sub it cuts a lot in the section. I just used higher volume and adjusted manually to match closest to the desired curve while analyzing the response in the Helix software. I like it better than what the auto eq did for sub.

 

[Raceengineer]

I wouldn't be relying on Chat GPT/Ai, its well known that the platforms are giving out as much duff info as what's semi decent.

 

[R]

I didn’t rely on AI. It flagged the ATF produced sound tuning mags (vol 1 and vol 2)

 

[R]

I had chat gpt help me to find information on how to better integrate my subwoofer. Based on information that I have found From helix themselves, specifically their DSP tuning guide, I had no idea that you shouldn’t auto EQ the sub. That you should just auto EQ the rest of the drivers, and focus on phase for the sub as well as leveling the volume of the sub to be within 3 to 6 dB of all of the other drivers playing together. Go figure! I can forgive myself as I am an amateur now that I have the house curved that I like, and it’s clear that it’s hard to do phase with DSP tool, it’s time to give total tuning a call for an updated tune.

I thought it was my mic as when I'm checking highs and mids I have output from 45-60Hz and when using auto eq on the sub it cuts a lot in the section. I just used higher volume and adjusted manually to match closest to the desired curve while analyzing the response in the Helix software. I like it better than what the auto eq did for sub.

Yes. This is what would happen to me over and over. The volume1 tuning guide says to adjust phase and gain for the sub to acoustically integrate it into system. And only very light EQ if needed. This is different than the other drivers for which it says to eq them.

 

[vactor]

And since PC Tool doesn't do phase measurements, you have to use REW or other software that do.

given the production of the AMI i wonder if phase measurement will be integrated into a future DSP tool update ...

 

[Matt2023]

Yes. This is what would happen to me over and over. The volume1 tuning guide says to adjust phase and gain for the sub to acoustically integrate it into system. And only very light EQ if needed. This is different than the other drivers for which it says to eq them.

That's an old as guide.
Don't use the phase slider. Have a read of the cat-bug guide hosted here or the tuning guide on resonix website, watch some videos on their respective YouTube channels, pick one or the other and follow the process start to finish.

 

[bdavbdav]

Still getting some very odd issues with TC. The latest version of 6 disabled the conductor, and TC seems to have dropped all the bass out since re-enabling.

EDIT: After driving home with no lows at all (felt totally dead beneath maybe 600hz?), i'd planned to use REW and pink noise to capture the average RTA measurement for what was coming out of the line outputs I'd left un-eq'd for doing the input EQ with REW.

Sadly, I'd left them muted. But (while music was playing) as soon as I connected PC tool to unmute them, the system came alive again. Definitely something funky going on.

DSP Tool 6.01.8 - was also present on .6.

 

[bdavbdav]

I've been getting some random glitches in the past 24 hrs...

Random turning off of channels when in the tool working, channel will be selected as active but sound becomes muted. Button becomes non responsive.

Does this still happen @Raceengineer? I'm getting this even now.