The search bar would have saved you from what's about to come....

 

here it comes

 

Uh oh! What he said!

 

For starters, I doubt they make 4mil CLD considering the human hair is about 3mil. Since you want budget, look and NVX, Stinger, and I think Noico is pretty popular.

This is the most recent thread, but threads about this are a plenty and almost always devolve into chaos. So I won't beat around the bush and get this over with. You want the best (arguably) get ResoNix, you want the worst, get Siless. You want the potential for the stuff to ooze out of your doors, don't do research and buy the cheap stuff, or hell some of the more pricey stuff is garbage. Do you need to the best, no. Is the worst really that bad, yea, it's worthless.

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Try out some resonix rectangles, it's what I would be getting if I was on a budget.
Knowing nicks products, it's still some great stuff, If you want the best get the squares

 

Another vote for Resonix.

Installed CLD squares and Fibermat 25 just in my back doors so far and very impressed!

 

budget friendly would be the Amazon brand and NVX. Great price/performance ratio.

I don't get why some people are throwing the most expensive brand around when the original poster explicitly asks for budget friendly ...

 

budget friendly would be the Amazon brand and NVX. Great price/performance ratio.

I don't get why some people are throwing the most expensive brand around when the original poster explicitly asks for budget friendly ...

Because people who have Resonix love it and enthusiastic about recommending it. It appears OP thinks a layer of CLD is enough to do the job? Maybe more research on what a complete job entails is in order. There is SO much previous discussions and posts on this…. Unless we all want to flog that horse again? More like flogging a one eyed pony!

 

"The best" sound treatment is is like asking people what is "the best" anything in car audio. It comes down to opinion, peer pressure, bias, limited exposure to all other available brands, budget, installation, and most importantly, the placebo effect of a person thinking a product is better simply because they paid more for it.

Marketing a product as premium and charging a higher price is very common. Many designer brands are thought to be the best, but that is rarely the case.

Not to mention, if you're on a budget, you are better off buying more of a cheaper product and doing a complete installation than spending a lot of money to do a partial install.

 

Recommending something because youre enthusiastic about it doesnt help at all ( "fanboyism"), its actually the opposite, that brand its literally a meme at this point. Been on this site a long a time, and there used to be constructed recommendations, and it hasnt been that long since its turned into this. Now they just get wasted with marketing plugs.

I miss the OGs...

"The best" sound treatment is is like asking people what is "the best" anything in car audio. It comes down to opinion, peer pressure, bias, limited exposure to all other available brands, budget, installation, and most importantly, the placebo effect of a person thinking a product is better simply because they paid more for it...

Well something its worth for what people are willing to pay at the end. Im an engineer for a company that makes known products and yeah the company will sell the end-product at x5 the price, with the help of a little marketing and "research". Which is usually why you go to these type of forums to get actual unbiased recommendations, but thats becoming a thing of the past now.

 

 

I came in here just for this. 😂

 

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Still have a piece of this on my heat shield.... still hasn't melted 🫠

 

He wants 4mil, isn't that stuff like 200Mil? Definitely wouldn't worry about it being one of the melters thought.

 

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The one I posted was 120mil

They also have 80mil but that's the smallest it goes.

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But yea... the one on my heat shield is 200mil 😁

 

4mil... lol... this one dude said he used duct tape, maybe he should explore that option 🤣

 

I just got the New RESONIX line of rectangle tiles I pre-ordered(they were on sale if pre-ordered plus an additional 10% discount.only way I could afford.im going to use it for the rear tailgate and rear area(where almost all my noticeable vibrations are coming from) area/wheel well area.i have 80mil second skin in doors.i was going to use a less exspensive brand to fill in any areas or gaps the RESONIX won't cover and use a spray foam for large gaps where sheet metal is joined together.i got a door kit from second skin that came with MLV but didn't instal because I didn't have proper adhesive(guy at shop said he couldn'tget it to stay.not going their again).im doing the rear myself.would mlv benefit doors or rear hatch more,I'm guessing doors since that's where my mid -woofers are installed?anyone done a 2006 honda pilot?

 

If you’re not doing 100% interior coverage with MLV you’re wasting your time. It’s not a “spot” apply product.

 

I really appreciate all the information on sound deadner. I just remember second skin being pretty good stuff but then again I haven’t built anything in like 10 years so I’m totally lost on what’s good anymore. Thanks for the advice

 

That Facebook group is ran by a specific vendor, same with that independent testing thats hosted there, its from some random guy and backed by the vendor. Its like Pepsi hosting "independent testing of the best colas, by some ran random soda fan!!" on their Pepsi homepage, and for some reason 🤷‍♂️ no other cola company cares about/quotes/backs that "research".

Best educational sound treatment advice threats can be found by advance searching this forum using any combination of sound treatment keywords between years: 2007-14

Overall, sound treatment is just part of your system the grand scheme of things, it wont make or break the system as a whole. Unless your car has been engineered from the ground up with sound insulation in mind like a Benz C class, Maybach, etc. Its like patching a leaky hole on your boat with painters tape.

 

Using that logic, I want to find the best window tint, but I'm only going to look at tint that is over 10 years old. Is tint from 10 years ago better than the ceramics of today? No, it is not. Things improve and get better with time. The testing group and the testing done by Chris has been around much longer than ResoNix, but of course Nick is going to support and use the data, it makes his product look good and drives sales. Who wouldn't use it?

 

That Facebook group is ran by a specific vendor, same with that independent testing thats hosted there, its from some random guy and backed by the vendor. Its like Pepsi hosting "independent testing of the best colas, by some ran random soda fan!!" on their Pepsi homepage, and for some reason 🤷‍♂️ no other cola company cares about/quotes/backs that "research".

Best educational sound treatment advice threats can be found by advance searching this forum using any combination of sound treatment keywords between years: 2007-14

Overall, sound treatment is just part of your system the grand scheme of things, it wont make or break the system as a whole. Unless your car has been engineered from the ground up with sound insulation in mind like a Benz C class, Maybach, etc. Its like patching a leaky hole on your boat with painters tape.

Andre2141's response is completely false. And lets just bring it out in the open since he didn't have the guts to go all in. He thinks I own or am paid for by Resonix. Even though I've been doing testing since before Resonix was a thought in its owners mind. Even though my car has ZERO Resonix products in it.

I am the owner of the facebook group in question, and I have never once worked for any company or organization in the car audio world aside from being a previous judge for MECA. I've never been an installer, aside from in my own car. I've never worked for any car audio companies, although I was once offered a sales position by STP-Atlantic, back in 2014, and I turned that down. There were MANY companies that donated to the crowd funding that helped get my new test rig off the ground, but the results of the products from those companies are all over the place, because the results are based on the actual results. I've even live streamed the testing process of several products, since people didn't believe the results either. I'll even gladly invite anyone over to see the actual testing in person if they have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.

 

Andre2141's response is completely false. And lets just bring it out in the open since he didn't have the guts to go all in. He thinks I own or am paid for by Resonix. Even though I've been doing testing since before Resonix was a thought in its owners mind. Even though my car has ZERO Resonix products in it.

I am the owner of the facebook group in question, and I have never once worked for any company or organization in the car audio world aside from being a previous judge for MECA. I've never been an installer, aside from in my own car. I've never worked for any car audio companies, although I was once offered a sales position by STP-Atlantic, back in 2014, and I turned that down. There were MANY companies that donated to the crowd funding that helped get my new test rig off the ground, but the results of the products from those companies are all over the place, because the results are based on the actual results. I've even live streamed the testing process of several products, since people didn't believe the results either. I'll even gladly invite anyone over to see the actual testing in person if they have the guts to put their money where their mouth is.

Glad you cleared that up. Every time I do it they’ll say I’m wrong. Lol

 

I will leave this here, managed to dig this up.

Sound Deadening (CLD) Testing

 

All im going to say is buy a quality sound deadener from a reputable brand that you can get at the best price.

I care not about independent testing , the folks that are resonix zealots , those still using dynamat , hell even cascade ! I’ve got vehicles that still have RAAMAT. Still holding just fine.

I used second skin because the b stock price was right. Also found great deal on stinger pro. I’d feel
Okay about using either of those.

 

Resonix user here.
If you want to know how that heat shield piece is, pull it off. These newer cheap stuff (Kilmat, siles, noico, etc) don't exactly melt, but are like stringy melted foamy marshmallow. You can even see particles from fillers. When it gets older, I can tell it's not what it used to be. I don't know D4s, but I assume it'd be just like these but thicker. Some stuff does melt.. the old Fat mat from back in the day is oozing out of my VW headliner. Someday Ill have to take some pictures of the carnage.

I'm sure this gets posted all the time > Sound Deadener Independent Testing

Using Chris's data, I've use a few other brands I was ok with.

Harmony: is thinner, but still has some weight to it.. I like it for plastic panels and because its cheap. If I had a choice, this is way better than Kilmat marshmallow junk. doesn't always seem super sticky. I usually warm it up some and it goes on better. Needs to be doubled up to match higher up products..

NVX: not a bad product, probably the closest to Resonix, a little thinner and lighter, but similar feel. A good "budget" option, but if you are serious and want "the best" this isn't quite it. I noticed when removing a piece, the aluminum separated fairly easy. I was at least I was able to use the butyl in other places once it was off. NVX is like cheaper Resonix, but the cost to performance is going down proportionally in my opinion.

Resonix: Resonix is the "best". This is a premium product. As soon as you feel the weight, you know this is something different. I would compare it to butyl rope (heavy, stretchy) but Imagine a whole sheet of it. I was telling someone, I can see how this would save an installer time. You don't need to "double up" anything. Or feel like you need to go back and add more. You might get Kilmat and others to work, but you will need 3-4 times the layers. which is 3-4x the labor, as well as questionable attachment and performance.
Something people don't always mention is the glue on deadeners. Resonix has been the only one I have to actually be careful, or it will start sticking to stuff. This feature also makes installing it faster. You don't have to "roll" over it 10x like others. Once it gets pressure, you are stuck. If you have to remove it for some reason, good luck. I even like that it has no logo on it. Like the product speaks for itself. It's just there to do what it's supposed to.

Like they say, buy once, cry once. If you think it costs too much, that's fine. There's products for other budgets. So, I'm now here crying.. I could have gone all Resonix with the money spent on all these others.

 

Resonix user here.
If you want to know how that heat shield piece is, pull it off. These newer cheap stuff (Kilmat, siles, noico, etc) don't exactly melt, but are like stringy melted foamy marshmallow. You can even see particles from fillers. When it gets older, I can tell it's not what it used to be. I don't know D4s, but I assume it'd be just like these but thicker. Some stuff does melt.. the old Fat mat from back in the day is oozing out of my VW headliner. Someday Ill have to take some pictures of the carnage.

I'm sure this gets posted all the time > Sound Deadener Independent Testing

Using Chris's data, I've use a few other brands I was ok with.

Harmony: is thinner, but still has some weight to it.. I like it for plastic panels and because its cheap. If I had a choice, this is way better than Kilmat marshmallow junk. doesn't always seem super sticky. I usually warm it up some and it goes on better. Needs to be doubled up to match higher up products..

NVX: not a bad product, probably the closest to Resonix, a little thinner and lighter, but similar feel. A good "budget" option, but if you are serious and want "the best" this isn't quite it. I noticed when removing a piece, the aluminum separated fairly easy. I was at least I was able to use the butyl in other places once it was off. NVX is like cheaper Resonix, but the cost to performance is going down proportionally in my opinion.

Resonix: Resonix is the "best". This is a premium product. As soon as you feel the weight, you know this is something different. I would compare it to butyl rope (heavy, stretchy) but Imagine a whole sheet of it. I was telling someone, I can see how this would save an installer time. You don't need to "double up" anything. Or feel like you need to go back and add more. You might get Kilmat and others to work, but you will need 3-4 times the layers. which is 3-4x the labor, as well as questionable attachment and performance.
Something people don't always mention is the glue on deadeners. Resonix has been the only one I have to actually be careful, or it will start sticking to stuff. This feature also makes installing it faster. You don't have to "roll" over it 10x like others. Once it gets pressure, you are stuck. If you have to remove it for some reason, good luck. I even like that it has no logo on it. Like the product speaks for itself. It's just there to do what it's supposed to.

Like they say, buy once, cry once. If you think it costs too much, that's fine. There's products for other budgets. So, I'm now here crying.. I could have gone all Resonix with the money spent on all these others.

something to consider. It’s not really buy once cry once. Unless your holding onto the vehicle for a while I doubt you’d notice a difrenc

Lol I love sound treatment threads. 🤣 I don't know what's funnier the the ppl suggesting or the ppl that get offended by the suggestions. Ressonix is the best, everything else still works( just not as good). Choose something that's within your budget, doesn't melt, and doesn't smell like ass.....phalt.

@Chris Purdue. I'll be using the D4S deadner in my next project. Still haven't bought all of it yet, but I'll be using a combo of their 200,120,80mil . If it's alright with you I want to sent a piece of each to you. Just to add to the list of already tested. 😃

I kinda feel like asking which sound deadner is best is like asking what speaker sounds the best. Everyone is going to have a different opinion, than you weigh the pros and cons and decide.

 

I've used second skin, ctk, dynamat, kilmat, and Amazon basic and now resonix as well. The reason I went with resonix is because how good the sample performed compared to the others.

I would say Amazon basic was actually second best, it lasted a couple years in the gtp before I sold it and it survived the Texas heat great as well.

Not all formulas are equal, people are thinking it's the same just different names that's far from the truth, that why I would recommend the rectangles, i believe it's are 3.88 per sqft not horrible at all

 

You guys have it lucky in the US. For fun I priced out 10sqft of Resonix CLD. Comes to CAD$250 delivered after taxes/duties.

$39 for Amazon basics 12sqft. It’s pretty much the only option and thankfully per that test a pretty decent one.

 

 

If you can use less and get a similar result. That is budget friendly.

Some of the most profitable and useful tech, along with car safety features, and car radios were all originally tested(invented /designed/perfected) in "some" guys garage.

Some people can't see practical as practice, only as hype.

By the way I had killmat completely separate and fall all over my Blazer and equipment. The adhesive held. It was still stuck to my vehicle. The butyl mix just melted and separated allowing the aluminum side to fall. The rep even told me they had a bunch of failures and they were doing something about it. They were great with customer service but I can never recommend that product again.

 

It's not really that you got a rise out of me, its more along the lines of disputing false information, like the idea that I've been paid to do any of my testing or that I have some brand bias or loyalty that affects the results.

The results are simply the results. Some products are good, some are mediocre, some are garbage. Some perform better with less coverage than more coverage of a worse performing product, sometimes enough so to make the more expensive product cheaper for the same performance, all things considered. Some have great heat resistance, some don't. Some companies know what they are doing, some are buying off the shelf products as cheap as possible, and some make their own product. Some survive solely on false marketing. One lost all of my respect after an hour long conversation with their "engineer", which made it clear they have no idea what they are doing, and could care less about their customers.

In the end, the results are still the results, and are as good as it gets in terms of independent testing, and do a very good job of comparing constrained layer dampers in a controlled environment. Its not perfect, but neither is ASTM-E 756, and my testing is absolutely good enough to figure out what products do what.

I’ll be damned….well said and welcome back!!!!!!

 

I was going to buy the cheap stuff, but ended up getting a deal on 20 sq ft of ResoNix along with the ccf foam speaker rings. I have under $1000 in my entire system (subs, 2 amps, hear unit, deadener, 3-way front + coaxials back, wire) so I fully understand being budget-minded. Your best bet on a budget is to buy the ResoNix Lite. It comes in 36 sq ft bundle. If that's too much, buy the Amazon basics. Don't buy Siless or Kilmat. You'll thank me later. I have a QX4 Infiniti SUV and for my purposes I found the 20 ft I got to be just right to do all the areas I wanted to do. It just depends how much you're willing to tear your car apart.

 

Lol I love sound treatment threads. 🤣 I don't know what's funnier the the ppl suggesting or the ppl that get offended by the suggestions. Ressonix is the best, everything else still works( just not as good). Choose something that's within your budget, doesn't melt, and doesn't smell like ass.....phalt.

@Chris Purdue. I'll be using the D4S deadner in my next project. Still haven't bought all of it yet, but I'll be using a combo of their 200,120,80mil . If it's alright with you I want to sent a piece of each to you. Just to add to the list of already tested. 😃

 

Lol I love sound treatment threads. 🤣 I don't know what's funnier the the ppl suggesting or the ppl that get offended by the suggestions. Ressonix is the best, everything else still works( just not as good). Choose something that's within your budget, doesn't melt, and doesn't smell like ass.....phalt.

@Chris Purdue. I'll be using the D4S deadner in my next project. Still haven't bought all of it yet, but I'll be using a combo of their 200,120,80mil . If it's alright with you I want to sent a piece of each to you. Just to add to the list of already tested. 😃

Absolutely. Send me a dm, or email me at sounddeadeningtesting@gmail.com