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Zapco Z-AP - SQ Audiophile Competition Series (New Flagship SQ Amp)

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#1 ·
I notice Zapco just posted

Zapco Z-AP - SQ Audiophile Competition Series on their website:

https://www.zapco.com/z-ap-series

It's their newest Flagship SQ Amp !

Anybody here had advance preview of their performance?
 
#2 ·
Doesn't look like they have even posted any real specs...

To be honest, these appear to be the LX Series, with a new paint job. Not much more.
They have 'upgraded' a few of the parts that they had failure issues with in the past.
Putting the OP-Amps into plugin modules doesn't improve the sound quality... it just makes it easier to repair/replace.

I'm a huge Zapco supporter, and I have no doubt that these are nice sounding amps.
But my hunch is that; this is marketing for maintenance purpose, more than it is for creating a better sounding amp.
 
#5 ·
the amps match the LX amps in power, they will cost 20% more as well. i am replacing mine with them
 
#10 ·
dunno how you can doubt the AP amps will be better, thats pretty silly IMO

1) high res pots
2) wima caps in the signal path
3) double the output devices
4) better op amps that the user can plug and play with other op amps
5) better resistors thru out, instead of 1% they now use .1%
6) perfectly matches output devices
 
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#12 ·
dunno how you can doubt the AP amps will be better, thats pretty silly IMO
I'm a huge Zapco fanboy... but I'm also an electrical engineer, and most of what you've listed below adds-up to Marketing 101 for Suckers...

1) high res pots - c'mon... did you look at the picture? these are cheap bias pots, made by Electron (pennies a piece)

2) wima caps in the signal path - This is the only thing that I would say would offer better sound resolution... I'll wait to see actual published specs. This is kinda like the old Nichicon vs. Etna argument. In real life, I doubt there's be any audible difference. Each brand produces its own sound... neither one is better, just different.

3) double the output devices - This might be an improvement, in the fact that it would allow a slightly higher voltage to the output devices. Doubt it would improve sound quality, but it would lower the noise floor.

4) better op amps that the user can plug and play with other op amps - Are they better? Published results please. The reality is that; Zapco had failure issues in the past, and this is just a means to easily remove / replace them.

5) better resistors thru out, instead of 1% they now use .1% - means nothing in real life... there really is no difference in the cost of .1% or 1% or 5% resistors. So why not pick the lowest value and brag about it. It's marketing hype.

6) perfectly matches output devices - this isn't an improvement over the Z-LX (which also has matched output devices)

In no way am I saying these won't be great amps... I have no doubt that they will be.
If you are in the market for a new amp, then I still say these (or the Z-LX) are absolutely premium.
But I do think there's a lot of marketing BS attached to them...
 
#15 ·
same goes for 99% of everything in life
 
#16 ·
I'll just stick with my LX amp.... When I first saw the announcement for these amps of course I was like these could be interesting but I would need a lot more convincing to want to try them. These might at best be a small upgrade over the current offerings and as such, not worth the hassle of trying to sell my current amps for a marginal upgrade at best. But I will keep my eye on them out of curiosity and see if maybe I can be convinced otherwise.
 
#17 ·
curious what amps would you consider a substantial upgrade over the LX?
 
#24 ·
I've owned Brax in the past and I have had Z-LX amps in my system for a little over a year. My old Brax X2400 was the best amp I ever owned in nearly 30 years of being in car audio. The Z-LXs are a close second. I bought my two Z-LXs gently used and at a total less than half of a new Brax MX4 amp.

The new Z-AP amps look to be a slight improvement over the Z-LXs and should be a great option for car-audiophiles looking for a great amp but not on a nearly unlimited budget. However I think I will stay with my Z-LXs until I can afford a couple of MX4s and a MX2, and the new Brax processor.
 
#31 ·
I had the original Z series when they came out. I wasn't a fan of several things about them. first, they had cheap board mounted rca connections and the sleeves would pop off when unplugging rca's - not good for a premium amplifier. In addition, the noise floor was a good bit higher than I care for.
Then Zapco released the Z-LX series. They installed tiffany style, panel mounted rca's and the noise floor was slightly lower. Now they have a nice cosmetic upgrade and some additional performance upgrades. If that lowers the noise floor to the level of the top tier amps, they have a real winner. That's the only thing I can find to have any gripe about with the LX series (and it's not bad), so I'm looking forward to demoing one of the new Z-AP's. Personally, I think they look great too.
 
#32 ·
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Then Zapco released the Z-LX series. They installed tiffany style, panel mounted rca's and the noise floor was slightly lower. Now they have a nice cosmetic upgrade and some additional performance upgrades. If that lowers the noise floor to the level of the top tier amps, they have a real winner. That's the only thing I can find to have any gripe about with the LX series (and it's not bad), so I'm looking forward to demoing one of the new Z-AP's. Personally, I think they look great too.
Funny thing about noise floors, when I had my Brax X2400 back in 2003-2004 I ran an Alpine F#1 Status PXA-H900 processor with it along with Scan Speak Revelator 12M mids and the older version of the current D3004/6020 tweeter. On the IASCA test disk the fade to 0 bits track the music would switch to 0 bits at 1:17 and have a level of -70 dB. In my system I could hear the noise gate in the recording studio click shut at 1:17. After 1:17 it was dead silence. I did not have a noise gate in the system, although some IASCA judges said I did. I even had some judges dock me points because they thought the "click" at 1:17 was some kind of problem in my system. I simply had my system's gain structure set up to have a S/N ratio greater than 70 dB, which was the test track's limit.

Currently I have my Z-LXs sitting in my closet awaiting for me to buy a new vehicle for me to install them in. But when they were in my car last year, in my tuning with my Helix DSP-Pro MKII and the Z-LXs, I could also hear the noise gate click at 1:17 on the same test track.

Plus most people with perfect hearing can only hear a dynamic range of about 75-80 dB. So I figure that any amp with a S/N ratio above 85-90 dB should not have an audible noise floor problem given the entire system's gain structure is set correctly and all other equipment in the system has as good or better specifications. Of course, the better the specifications are, generally the better the equipment is.

I like to use the Autosound 2000 Test CD #104 and a good (but cheap) oscilloscope to set gains. The CD can be bought here: Navone Engineering Inc. » CD-104 AUTOSOUND 2000 Test Software

A decent oscilloscope can be found here: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSJCUA7/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IGU5BKFYTDKD8&colid=2L8G4AKPI31HS&psc=1
 
#50 ·
Thanks. Some of these are mine, and some of these are Matei's (my part time employee). Hes only part time because hes to busy running his own photography business, and hes damn good at it.
 
#51 ·
Nick and Matei both take incredible pics, I'm amazed each time I've seen their work....

The amps are without a doubt better for 2 definite reasons...there could be more but initially these 2 are biggest
1. The much lower noise floor compared to the lx
2. There is without question more detail coming out with the amp swap from lx to ap...I changed nothing else but amps