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I’m going out on a limb here. Your amps are displayed right? If so I can see wanting the latest and greatest. You wouldn’t want to be caught dead with last years fashion.
nope, they are hidden and i can see now that you are a troll. have a nice day
 
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nope, they are hidden and i can see now that you are a troll. have a nice day
That wasn’t intended to be a troll. I know in my day looks mattered just as much as what it sounded like. I doubt it’s any different today.
Sorry if I offended you. I’m just a nobody in this big pond.
 
I've owned Brax in the past and I have had Z-LX amps in my system for a little over a year. My old Brax X2400 was the best amp I ever owned in nearly 30 years of being in car audio. The Z-LXs are a close second. I bought my two Z-LXs gently used and at a total less than half of a new Brax MX4 amp.

The new Z-AP amps look to be a slight improvement over the Z-LXs and should be a great option for car-audiophiles looking for a great amp but not on a nearly unlimited budget. However I think I will stay with my Z-LXs until I can afford a couple of MX4s and a MX2, and the new Brax processor.
 
Come on guys........he was just foolin about
 
I like the look of the new amps. I think then LXs “sound” fantastic so even if the improvement is marginal, an improvement in any way will be welcomed.


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I've owned Brax in the past and I have had Z-LX amps in my system for a little over a year. My old Brax X2400 was the best amp I ever owned in nearly 30 years of being in car audio. The Z-LXs are a close second. I bought my two Z-LXs gently used and at a total less than half of a new Brax MX4 amp.

The new Z-AP amps look to be a slight improvement over the Z-LXs and should be a great option for car-audiophiles looking for a great amp but not on a nearly unlimited budget. However I think I will stay with my Z-LXs until I can afford a couple of MX4s and a MX2, and the new Brax processor.
Will have to wait for a while this Brax processor.... development was canceled

I'm a huge Zapco fanboy... but I'm also an electrical engineer, and most of what you've listed below adds-up to Marketing 101 for Suckers...

1) high res pots - c'mon... did you look at the picture? these are cheap bias pots, made by Electron (pennies a piece)

2) wima caps in the signal path - This is the only thing that I would say would offer better sound resolution... I'll wait to see actual published specs. This is kinda like the old Nichicon vs. Etna argument. In real life, I doubt there's be any audible difference. Each brand produces its own sound... neither one is better, just different.

3) double the output devices - This might be an improvement, in the fact that it would allow a slightly higher voltage to the output devices. Doubt it would improve sound quality, but it would lower the noise floor.

4) better op amps that the user can plug and play with other op amps - Are they better? Published results please. The reality is that; Zapco had failure issues in the past, and this is just a means to easily remove / replace them.

5) better resistors thru out, instead of 1% they now use .1% - means nothing in real life... there really is no difference in the cost of .1% or 1% or 5% resistors. So why not pick the lowest value and brag about it. It's marketing hype.

6) perfectly matches output devices - this isn't an improvement over the Z-LX (which also has matched output devices)

In no way am I saying these won't be great amps... I have no doubt that they will be.
If you are in the market for a new amp, then I still say these (or the Z-LX) are absolutely premium.
But I do think there's a lot of marketing BS attached to them...
Resistors in the pre-amp sections are 0.1% now
OpAmp used are TI OP2604 BB for pre-amp and
TI LME49723 for the inputs sections
Double output drivers with high voltage rail.
Regulated power supply
Same high efficiency insulator used in SP line (less thermal resistance of MICA for faster heat transfer)
SN now is 107db
 
I had the original Z series when they came out. I wasn't a fan of several things about them. first, they had cheap board mounted rca connections and the sleeves would pop off when unplugging rca's - not good for a premium amplifier. In addition, the noise floor was a good bit higher than I care for.
Then Zapco released the Z-LX series. They installed tiffany style, panel mounted rca's and the noise floor was slightly lower. Now they have a nice cosmetic upgrade and some additional performance upgrades. If that lowers the noise floor to the level of the top tier amps, they have a real winner. That's the only thing I can find to have any gripe about with the LX series (and it's not bad), so I'm looking forward to demoing one of the new Z-AP's. Personally, I think they look great too.
 
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Then Zapco released the Z-LX series. They installed tiffany style, panel mounted rca's and the noise floor was slightly lower. Now they have a nice cosmetic upgrade and some additional performance upgrades. If that lowers the noise floor to the level of the top tier amps, they have a real winner. That's the only thing I can find to have any gripe about with the LX series (and it's not bad), so I'm looking forward to demoing one of the new Z-AP's. Personally, I think they look great too.
Funny thing about noise floors, when I had my Brax X2400 back in 2003-2004 I ran an Alpine F#1 Status PXA-H900 processor with it along with Scan Speak Revelator 12M mids and the older version of the current D3004/6020 tweeter. On the IASCA test disk the fade to 0 bits track the music would switch to 0 bits at 1:17 and have a level of -70 dB. In my system I could hear the noise gate in the recording studio click shut at 1:17. After 1:17 it was dead silence. I did not have a noise gate in the system, although some IASCA judges said I did. I even had some judges dock me points because they thought the "click" at 1:17 was some kind of problem in my system. I simply had my system's gain structure set up to have a S/N ratio greater than 70 dB, which was the test track's limit.

Currently I have my Z-LXs sitting in my closet awaiting for me to buy a new vehicle for me to install them in. But when they were in my car last year, in my tuning with my Helix DSP-Pro MKII and the Z-LXs, I could also hear the noise gate click at 1:17 on the same test track.

Plus most people with perfect hearing can only hear a dynamic range of about 75-80 dB. So I figure that any amp with a S/N ratio above 85-90 dB should not have an audible noise floor problem given the entire system's gain structure is set correctly and all other equipment in the system has as good or better specifications. Of course, the better the specifications are, generally the better the equipment is.

I like to use the Autosound 2000 Test CD #104 and a good (but cheap) oscilloscope to set gains. The CD can be bought here: Navone Engineering Inc. » CD-104 AUTOSOUND 2000 Test Software

A decent oscilloscope can be found here: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSJCUA7/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IGU5BKFYTDKD8&colid=2L8G4AKPI31HS&psc=1
 
Funny thing about noise floors, when I had my Brax X2400 back in 2003-2004 I ran an Alpine F#1 Status PXA-H900 processor with it along with Scan Speak Revelator 12M mids and the older version of the current D3004/6020 tweeter. On the IASCA test disk the fade to 0 bits track the music would switch to 0 bits at 1:17 and have a level of -70 dB. In my system I could hear the noise gate in the recording studio click shut at 1:17. After 1:17 it was dead silence. I did not have a noise gate in the system, although some IASCA judges said I did. I even had some judges dock me points because they thought the "click" at 1:17 was some kind of problem in my system. I simply had my system's gain structure set up to have a S/N ratio greater than 70 dB, which was the test track's limit.

Currently I have my Z-LXs sitting in my closet awaiting for me to buy a new vehicle for me to install them in. But when they were in my car last year, in my tuning with my Helix DSP-Pro MKII and the Z-LXs, I could also hear the noise gate click at 1:17 on the same test track.

Plus most people with perfect hearing can only hear a dynamic range of about 75-80 dB. So I figure that any amp with a S/N ratio above 85-90 dB should not have an audible noise floor problem given the entire system's gain structure is set correctly and all other equipment in the system has as good or better specifications. Of course, the better the specifications are, generally the better the equipment is.

I like to use the Autosound 2000 Test CD #104 and a good (but cheap) oscilloscope to set gains. The CD can be bought here: Navone Engineering Inc. » CD-104 AUTOSOUND 2000 Test Software

A decent oscilloscope can be found here: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MSJCUA7/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=IGU5BKFYTDKD8&colid=2L8G4AKPI31HS&psc=1


I demo'd a series of amplifiers on a switcher with all reference gear being the same and level matched. The Genesis amplifiers had a very low noise floor and the lowest of them all was the Brax Matrix series. Even with gain at dead minimum on the Zapco, I still had some audible noise floor vs the others, but it's not like it's obnoxious and of course once you have music playing, not really a big deal. The sound when they are playing is excellent though. Looking forward to hearing the new update too.

I also use a decent Oscope (and have the autosound 2000 suite as well) :)
 
I demo'd a series of amplifiers on a switcher with all reference gear being the same and level matched. The Genesis amplifiers had a very low noise floor and the lowest of them all was the Brax Matrix series. Even with gain at dead minimum on the Zapco, I still had some audible noise floor vs the others, but it's not like it's obnoxious and of course once you have music playing, not really a big deal. The sound when they are playing is excellent though. Looking forward to hearing the new update too.

I also use a decent Oscope (and have the autosound 2000 suite as well) :)
agreed - the s/n ratio of the z-lx wasn't anything to write home about... it doesn't surprise me you heard some noise. that is the biggest improvement of the ap line imo - the s/n ratio is now... >107db? should be a marked improvement. i think it was rated at >90db w/ z-lx.
 
I've got three of the new AP amps on order (a 150.6AP and two 400.2AP's) and I can't wait to try them out. My only complaint with my LX was a slight bit of noise. With the AP's s/n being 110ish compared to the 90ish of the LX's these amps should be absolutely amazing.
 
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I've got three of the new AP amps on order (a 150.6AP and two 400.2AP's) and I can't wait to try them out. My only complaint with my LX was a slight bit of noise. With the AP's s/n being 110ish compared to the 90ish of the LX's these amps should be absolutely amazing.
Please write a review on your new AP once you received it,
When are you expecting this new AP amp will arrive?
Thanks
 
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