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Some high end home stereo speakers have concentric speakers where the tweeter is located in the middle of the midrange or mid-bass.

TAD speakers, Pioneer Speakers, KEF LS 50. among many others. I was actually thinking about ordering concentric drivers and installing them in a vehicle. Has anyone done this or am I the only crazy one?
 
3-way because beaming.

No really, I'd try to get a big woofer up front like 9 or 10, then a mid like 4 to 5" and then a nice ass tweeter.

And of course, sub if needed.
you gunna put that nice ass tweeter in your ass pillar, or whatever hot9dog calls em? lol
 
Some high end home stereo speakers have concentric speakers where the tweeter is located in the middle of the midrange or mid-bass.

TAD speakers, Pioneer Speakers, KEF LS 50. among many others. I was actually thinking about ordering concentric drivers and installing them in a vehicle. Has anyone done this or am I the only crazy one?
erins old setup used kef speakers.
 
You gonna keep it a secret? What brands?
xtant had a set made by morel.

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i think the audisson/hertz lines had a couple...or at least did at one point?

i think somebody holds a patent or something in the car speaker realm and they are rare because of it. at least that's what i've heard.

i'd be happy as **** if hybrid made a 3.7" biampable concentric with a textile dome! and i'm not being all fan-boy about it - i just love the timbre of their paper cones.
 
I've had both in my car and i'm going back to 2-way. I have a small cabin, and just got tired of mid range pods clogging up my dash and windshield.

Sucks, because it's the best it has sounded, but I just want to simplify and cut down on equipment.

I plan to get back to a 3-way when I get a different daily with better install options though.
 
Had both 2-way & 3-way. Not an easy question to answer in real world situations. Of course less would seem better. Easier to tune and less cost, but getting a beefy midwoofer anywhere up top & on axis isn't easy unless you drive a bus or something with a elephant sized dash (I prefer stealth). Big difference between theory & reality.
 
once you go 3 way you never want to go 2 way
Odd... I've done it.

As far as brands... Morel- illusion- there are some old school ones out there also.

I have the old xtants in the dash of my accord/ I blew one and have been running a tweeter on the dash and I'm very happy with it. My daily driver and toy are both 2 way and Were strongly considering a morel integra in the other car with a 6x9 in the door.

In all seriousness... Get a good pair of bookshelf speakers with properly built xover and plop them on you dash along with a serious 12" sub and I think you would be happy- simple as hell to tune.
 
The advantage of a typical 3 way is, that it allows you to get 300hz and up at dash level or higher (although you can do the same with a 6.5 and 2.5-3" mid on the dash). All height cue frequencies are dash level or higher. I feel that visually this alignment gives the stage a bit more cohesion, and you tend to notice depth a bit more.

Tonally, there's no difference between a 2 way and a 3 way, as long as drivers are appropriately chosen. If you're tuning to a ref sound, how close you get to it is down to first and foremost your tuning skills, followed by choice of drivers for the application. A 2 way vs 3 way is not part of this equation. It takes more work dialing in a 3 way as already mentioned and if A and B have equal tuning skills, and the driver choice is right, then A's 2 way will be at par tonally with B's 3 way.
 
I only got into SQL car audio 3 years ago, and I am still on a 2 way.

As far as stage height and vocal imaging, I have 6.5's about 3/4 of the way up the door, fairly high for a car, and then 2" widebands on the dash. The mid plays 85-1500 and the wideband 1500 and up.

I have a bit of droop on deeper male vocals but even then it is just ~3-4 inches under the center of the dash, while anything higher than that sits about 3-4 inches above the dash. Bass and midbass is also centered and just below or at dash level. I have no pull to the left or right though and bass guitar is properly represented.

I have spent months and months on this current tune and setup, lots of time spent on TA as well to get everything in phase without big cancellation areas.
I would say most normal people will get EXCELLENT results with a good 2 way IF you spend the time tuning it and setting it up on the initial install.

Don't be ashamed of a 2 way rig. They can sound kickass. It's all in the install and tuning.
 
It truly depends on so many variables. Just like home audio, there's more than one way to crack that nut.

Speaking of point-source or concentric speakers, you guys ever play with the SEAS units? They look really nice!
 
It truly depends on so many variables. Just like home audio, there's more than one way to crack that nut.

Speaking of point-source or concentric speakers, you guys ever play with the SEAS units? They look really nice!

I've looked at them a while back. The 5" appears too hefty for stealthy locations. The response graph looks nasty for the the mid & tweeter in the xover range, and above 10khz for the tweet. Wish someone would attempt a small 3" one besides the Illusion Audio C3 CX.
 
Tannoy, Kef, TAD/Pioneer make the best ones technically speaking- they get the tweeter to cone transition the best.

The rest have notches in the 4-6k range due to the tweeter termination n the cone. Off axis the FR smooths out.
 
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