What are your crossover points / slopes? Wattage?

 

I don't know honestly, I had everything professionally installed. and i didnt write anything down. I can go check model numbers in the morning if its important.

I believe my JL audio 4 channels amps have 90 watts per channel each.

Can you suggest some nice sounding, loud, good for rap, speakers?

EDIT: it has 75 watts each ( 300/4v2 JL amp )

 

90w isn’t a lot of power, especially if you want it loud

What model amps did you go with?

It’s possible you could swap speakers and it will not play as loud as it is now.... thus more info is needed

For a “super high end system” I would hope they sound deadened the doors?

 

300/4v2 JL amp as mentioned. HAT is not meant for loud, thats the issue. im 99% sure i can put in different speakers and get it louder. If i remember my installer correctly he even said he got the gains turned down a good amount on the JL amps.

Stevens MB6 or 8

oh geez another brand i never heard of, sounds like a similar situation when i asked guys on here what speaker should i get for best sound quality and they recommended HAT lol.

What Viggen said. My system gets crazy loud with great SQ but I’m running 2 to 4 times as much power.

Also, for Rap are you looking for more low end? If so then you should be looking more toward changing your sub setup.

I believe 75 watts per channel should be enough, honestly.

Oh i got a sub, i just didnt mention it to make a long post, i also have a 15" Fi sealed sub with a 2000 watt soundqubed amp.

I think the problem here is most never heard HAT speakers. I must not have the ears because i feel it was all hype. id be happy with something 1/2 the price.

90 watts is more than enough to get it louder than most need it. Something isnt right.

finally, someone, I agree with lol. The problem is HAT speakers.

Edit: Sorry I’m reading this from my phone, if you’re running two JL audio 4 channels to power your front stage then that’s plenty.

Is there a DSP involved?

What’s powering the subwoofer and what subwoofer do you have?

yes DSP, and ^^^^

I suspect the L6SE is what’s lacking. Most don’t run the L6SE for punchy midbass here in the UK. I ran the Clarus C6 as it’s more capable of low end punch than the L6. But many like the Unity 6x9 mids. Could be worth looking at changing that part of the system?

You can spend all you want if it’s not installed or tuned well it won’t sound like you’ve spent much in my experience.

Maybe worth having a re tune either from the same guy or trying someone else. If the car was tuned with the hybrids straight out the box they won’t have been run in. Legatia speakers need at least 50+ hours to be run in properly. So that’s another thing to consider too.

As other have said this should be loud enough of the JL slash amps.

I'm not saying the HAT's sound bad, im saying they dont get loud enough for me, which no re-tune can fix.

Clarus or Unity no thanks, never getting a HAT speaker again.

There are plenty of pro-audio speakers that will get loud, but you will sacrifice everything below 150-200ish hz (unless you can swing a vented enclosure, but even that won't get you down into "real" midbass territory). The B&C 6md38 is a good choice if that's what you want.

If you need more midbass I'd suggest raising the low-pass on your subs and get them to play as high as possible, and raising the high-pass on the Hybrid's or whatever speaker you replace it with. That might pull your soundstage back toward the sub, but will get you more overall volume.

sounds like a different language lol, I don't install these myself. But I'll tell them about what you said.

 

Stevens MB6 or 8

 

What Viggen said. My system gets crazy loud with great SQ but I’m running 2 to 4 times as much power.

Also, for Rap are you looking for more low end? If so then you should be looking more toward changing your sub setup.

 

90 watts is more than enough to get it louder than most need it. Something isnt right.

 

Edit: Sorry I’m reading this from my phone, if you’re running two JL audio 4 channels to power your front stage then that’s plenty.

Is there a DSP involved?

What’s powering the subwoofer and what subwoofer do you have?

 

I suspect the L6SE is what’s lacking. Most don’t run the L6SE for punchy midbass here in the UK. I ran the Clarus C6 as it’s more capable of low end punch than the L6. But many like the Unity 6x9 mids. Could be worth looking at changing that part of the system?

You can spend all you want if it’s not installed or tuned well it won’t sound like you’ve spent much in my experience.

Maybe worth having a re tune either from the same guy or trying someone else. If the car was tuned with the hybrids straight out the box they won’t have been run in. Legatia speakers need at least 50+ hours to be run in properly. So that’s another thing to consider too.

As other have said this should be loud enough of the JL slash amps.


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There are plenty of pro-audio speakers that will get loud, but you will sacrifice everything below 150-200ish hz (unless you can swing a vented enclosure, but even that won't get you down into "real" midbass territory). The B&C 6md38 is a good choice if that's what you want.

If you need more midbass I'd suggest raising the low-pass on your subs and get them to play as high as possible, and raising the high-pass on the Hybrid's or whatever speaker you replace it with. That might pull your soundstage back toward the sub, but will get you more overall volume.

 

The problem is in your settings somewhere. I've had those exact model HAT speakers, (L6 & L3) on a Soundqubed 90.4 and a RF 400w (100wpc) and they had more than enough volume to keep up with a 153db sub.

Since you've chosen to rely on someone else to tune it, you'll incur the expenses associated-possibly replacing speakers to no satisfaction.

I can 100% guarantee speakers are not the problem here, unless you have unrealistic expectations. Now, if you want "them thangs to talk brah", which is usually associated with >20% distortion from a clipped PA speaker, then by all means go get some Selenium's and have at it.

You still won't realize the benefits of any speaker you have until it's tuned/installed right.

But, if you decide to sell those "****ty" HAT's, please allow me to be first in line to purchase them from you!

Good luck!

 

Its not the speakers, HAT gets plently loud, believe me. I have ran alot of HAT speakers. If u wanna get loud, understand what u need to do to achieve this, just dont blame it on HAT speakers.


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I bet the dip **** installer is one of those that uses a meter to set the gains, so you're lucky if you are getting even 50% of the amps abilities in real world use with music.

I'd never use HAT speakers, but surely they can get pretty loud if needed, and you have a reasonable amount of power to do so...unless you're idea of loud is hearing your system from blocks away. If that happens to be the case, then you'll need so pro audio drivers. If that isn't the case, I can almost guarantee the gains are set wrong, somewhere in the chain.

Some brag that they can turn their volume up all the way and get zero clipping. That's nothing to be proud of. If you can do that, the gains are too low.

 

What makes you automatically assume the installer is a dipshit?

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This pic may help you understand the rate at which electrical energy is converted into acoustical energy. It actually takes quite a bit of power to increase the volume even a little bit. The chart on the right will likely be closer to the efficiency of your speakers.

You can go for more sensitive speakers which will be louder with less power but you will sacrifice low end (midbass output) in doing so.

Audio comes with trade offs. That’s for sure. Eric Stevens of Stevens Audio/Image Dynamics advises running 1.5 times the RMS rating of your speaker. I think this is a good rule of thumb.

 

This pic may help you understand the rate at which electrical energy is converted into acoustical energy. It actually takes quite a bit of power to increase the volume even a little bit.

Do you have any idea how loud 105db of a full range signal is (which is achieved with about a hair less than 100 watts in OP's setup)? its pretty damn brutal.

 

What exactly is not loud enough? Midbass, midrange, upper midrange? Maybe there is some sort of Time alignment/phase issue causing cancellation or maybe there is a dip from poorly selected crossover points? are the doors properly treated with sound deadening?

I know several other people have said it but I would like to throw in my 2 cents as well. I do not believe that with 75-90 watts per channel there should be any issue with being loud enough. I strongly believe there is an install or tuning issue going on.

 

I didn't read the comments but id start with power before speakers. 200 to 300 watts per side. If active 200 plus watts per mid.

Without power you'll need a super sensitive speaker. By doubling your power you will get a perceived 3 db gain in output (it's an approximation) which roughly sounds twice as loud to our ears.

You'll want to make sure your crossovers are set a little high. Somewhere around 80hz but don't be scared to go higher if you really want to pound on them.

It's a tested , tried and true method to get loud. I'm actually going in the opposite direction. I'm still running 300 watts per side(amps rms rating, I know not actual output for all the people who will chime in to tell me I'm wrong) but have reduced amp gain, dsp output and lowered my crossovers because the audio frog gbs sound better to me crossed around 68hz instead of 80. I'd rather have fantastic sound at 110 db than really good at 120 db.

 

Can you get 110 without your sub? Are you running all Audiofrog?

 

Put it this way. With a slight downward slope , crossed at 80 Hz with 300 w per side the frog gbs will make your eyes twitch when snare drums hit.

 

WTF has happened to this thread lol. I was just expecting a list of some nice speakers that can get loud.

My idea of loud is not being able to hear the person yelling next to me. It's not like i go driving around like this all the time. but a few times during the week i just hear a good song and want to blow my fu**in ear drums out lol.

I would say my tuner was an idiot, he forgot to screw in some wires i remember because **** was turning on an off one day and he never tightened in the rca or some ****, i don't remember. Then he said he's not good at tuning so that might be it too i guess.

It was the only HAT distributor in my area and the guy isnt "good at tuning".

So tuning can actually get it louder? but the thing is, when i turn it up really loud right now i feel like im getting close to distortion levels so i back off. I don't see how a tune can lengthen that distortion period. "if that makes sense" lol.

 

Tuning can make it not seem as loud.

 

A tune can make a substantial difference but it still isn’t going to get you the output you’re looking for and there isn’t a louder set of speakers you can just drop in without making changes. You’ll need to readjust the gain and tune. Is a 6.5” the biggest you can fit or can you make an 8” fit?

 

I had this same problem.

I upped the power from 100 watts to 250 per side (Rated) on Focal K2s. The new Fosgate amp actually does 339 per side. I set the gains with a -5 dB tone and them backed them off halfway to 0 dB because the front end is overpowering my sub big time (JL 12w6v3 in HO box off 900 watts). Anyways, the Focals really seem to work now but they still do not seem stressed. Max I usually listed to is 35/50 on my HU and at that point you can't hear the person sitting next to you in the car.

 

Really? You guys are absurd. Sure power might be an issue but if he wants loud let him get loud.

With that said - Horns with 100+ watts to each side - and 8" pro mids with 300-400 to each side. It will be so loud you won't want to be within 30 feet of the car.

Trust me - been there... done that. My Challenger used to drown out DJ speakers from 100 yards out. I miss college lol.

I kept two tunes - one for daily SQ and one for tailgating and partying. The SQ one had serious cuts on the horns.

 

Sounds interesting to say the least. I always like have more on tap than I need just in case we want to get loud.

 

budget=anything

o boy

 

Op...I may have missed it...are you using a DSP? If you get everything tuned; i.e. level matched, properly EQ'd, aligned, etc, etc...I have a feeling you'll be surprised at what your speakers can achieve. I'm not a fan of hybrid audio but I'm sure your 3-way can get loud. You should be able to get it to the point where you are yelling at your passenger. The only limiting factor would be if the mid-bass can keep up.